One of the strongest pieces of evidence that our culture sucks at thinking or empathy is the abortion debate. Pro-choicers constantly characterize pro-lifers as "not actually caring about babies, but just want to control the bodies of women" which is one of the stupidest things
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Like, I definitely think abortion is great, but pro-choice people often view themselves as being very reasonable and progressive, but if they were then they wouldn't insist that the opponent's motivation isn't valid just because it makes them sympathetic.
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Like, pro-life people legitimately think they are saving the lives of infants. And yes, if someone thinks that, then of course it makes sense they're gonna try to make abortion illegal. You would too if you fuckin thought you were preventing the mass slaughter of innocents.
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Are the pro-lifers consistent about it? No. Is their "saving the lives of innocents thing" at the expense of women's agency over their lives? Yes.
Doesn't mean they aren't still trying to stop what is in their eyes a legalized massacre, my dudes.
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The claim that this is really about controlling women's bodies is horseshit. It's a side effect, not the main goal. It's just super easy to take unflattering side effects and point at it and scream loudly THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED ALL ALONG, YOU VILLAINS
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Would be like if you campaigned for women's equal working rights in a sexist country, and then all the sexists came out of the woodwork to insist that your true goal all along was to separate women from their children, you anti-family monster.
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My mom once got pregnant with a fetus with half a brain and some important organs missing. Doctors told her it was definitely going to die, she should abort. Nope - she carried the baby to term, gave birth, and he died in her arms. Here's me and my brother in this photo
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My mom was once arrested for blocking the entrance to an abortion clinic (years later, I protested planned parenthood alongside her). If you walked up to my mom and told her she only cared about controlling women's bodies, that would have been such an insult.
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To be clear: I think (even really late) abortions should be legal. I think it's better for society in almost every way.
But the pro-choice rhetoric sucks absolute balls, come fucking on guys you are better than this. You don't have to demonize the enemy to win.
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Stop saying it's about controlling women's bodies, it isn't. Acknowledge that the opponent thinks they're doing good, but are misled, and then continue the debate with actual real facts, not lazy mischaracterizations.
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The kind of person who debates a pro-lifer with the lazy insistence that their motivation is bad is the kind of person who believes good things because they are *lucky*, not because they are *good at thinking*
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This is the same kind of person who, had they been born in a different culture, would have embraced the norms of that culture, even if they were barbaric. I can't credit these pro-choicers with any correctness beyond what was given them by their culture.
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And the amount the "they only want to control women!" narrative permeates every discussion is incredible. It's such a heavily dominant opinion in any progressive circle and any suggestion that maybe they actually are trying to save babies is outright rejected or even mocked.
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