I'm at ! I haven't been involved in the political side of psychedelic at all and so this is really fascinating. The general discourse swings extremely left (bordering on social justice) on the culture spectrum, which for some reason isn't what I expected.
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I thought it would be a little more culturally diverse on that particular spectrum, because the gathering point here is psychedelics. I guess psychedelics tend to be done disproportionately by people willing to violate norms?
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I have a suspicion that there's something going on, which is a particular manifestation of the way psychedelics can perpetuate the idea of "positive thinking" and "the obligation of Good". I might need to write a lot more about this.
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Also wanna clarify I am a fat overly drugged hippie who is ass deep in my preferred flavor of spirituality, and I mean my criticism of positive thinking in a very specific way
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Ok I think another thing that bothers me is that there doesn't seem to be a sense that they're self aware of this. It feels like there's a heavy, invisible narrative in the room. I could be wrong though, maybe I haven't spoken to enough people yet.
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That's true. I wish I had a better term for what I mean. I guess I mean any attitude that seeks to shut down, shame, or judge dissenters, focuses on ideology and tribalism, and paints groups of people as bad for simply belonging to the group.
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I don't have anything against the beliefs themselves, it's mostly the way these beliefs tend to get advocated, which is with a lack of empathy justified by righteous rhetoric of right and wrong. It's persuasive and reminds me of my old religion and it freaks me out.
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I'm not attached to the term social justice, I'm happy to use any term that works. I do see these traits with disproportionate frequency in people who are active in social justice, which is why I think the two things are so often conflated. Other groups do it too though!
, you really aught to consider getting this young lady on DTFH. I think you two could have a great conversation.
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as a liberal (not “left”) I’m surprised the psychedelic community doesn’t breed more libertarians. It’s the biggest mystery
Hey it was great meeting you! As a
leftist in the psychedelic space I can contextualize this. Many psychedelics are indigenous technologies at their bedrock. In those communities politics are not abstract, but direct assaults on their land tenure, autonomy, and physical safety.
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