MY (SURE TO GET FLACK) TAKE ON #ELLIOTRODGERS (THREAD)https://youtu.be/G-gQ3aAdhIo
6) There have been a few good articles about incels linked to here on Twitter which *touch* on the homoeroticism of the comments in incel chat spaces. I straight up wonder what percentage of these men are really just regular old self-hating gay men who are just hiding behind the
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8) Elliot Rodgers was also straight up crazy. His folks knew he was crazy. They had had him previously institutuonalized. They also called the cops on him after seeing the first of his YouTube videos but when the cops came to his apartment he hid his guns.
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9) The Aurora shooter was also straight up crazy and being treated for craziness. Jared Loughner who shot Gabby Giffords had been kicked out of community college for acting disturbed. Nicki Giovanni had had the Virginia Tech shooter in one of her classes and reported
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10) him to school authorities as disturbed. When analysis is being done, I would like parsing. No one is claiming Jeffrey Dahmer was a White Supremacist because his victims were mostly Asian and Black. When you EAT your victims no one doubts you are crazy.
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11) But there are non cannibalistic mass killers who are still straight up crazy. And mixing their actions in with analysis of those who are same but evil, IMO, muddies the waters. I want to know what societal/cultural messages can be attacked in order to lessen
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12) chances that *regular* people don't get caught up in hate that leads to violence. What makes crazy people do what they do is a question for the health care system and the sciences.
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13) I understand the dynamic of low melanin people being called lone wolves or crazy when they commit mass violence but high melanin people having the whole ethnicity or religion from which they came being indicted when they commit mass violence.
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14) I still don't think the answer to that is to ignore the straight up crazy of the mass killers who are straight up crazy. Dahmer, Laughner, Holmes, Rodgers, Kazinski and the Virginia Tech shooter all had one thing in common. They did NOT have previous domestic violence
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15) charges against them. Yet I am warned in many articles that domestic violence is a harbinger of mass violence. And I believe that is true for regular, every day, evil people. If crime analysis is gonna run deep data dives looking for trends to predict mass violence I don't
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16) want the data points of the mentally ill throwing off the sample. I want the analysis to be nuanced in order for society to *accurately* know what to look for and in order for cultural critics to accurately identify cultural messaging against which to push back.
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17) I also want to push back against this notion that incels are men who are upset that women are not having sex with them. That is hokem. They are upset that DROP DEAD GORGEOUS women are not having the kind of sex seen in male-audience pornography with them. And here I return to
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18) Elliot Rodgers and a critique of him coming from a very non-feminist place. Elliot Rodgers was anti-PUA.
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19) without being charged with rape. They proport to show tips and techniques. It's lies and manipulation mostly but whatever. Elliot Rodgers bought into this hokem and when it did not work he joined online groups that are anti-PUA spouting off about how paying
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20) PUAs for their "tips" is a waste of money and PUAs are all frauds.
#PickUPArtist s actually have a rebuttal to this critique. It goes like this. I didn't say my techniques were fucking magic, you fools. No matter what no super-model pretty woman is gonna have sexShow this thread -
21) with a dude who looks like you unless you've got Elon Musk/Jeff Bezos style money. The techniques failed for you because you tried them on women far more pretty than you are handsome. Had you tried them on plain jane next door or the fatty-fatty-two-by-four woman at your job
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22) you'd be getting fellatio right now. Instead you tried it on that woman you've been lusting with tits till Tuesday and legs that go on forever and the tightest ass on the block and no-fucking-duh she rejected you. She didn't reject the *technique*. She rejected YOU.
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23) Of course this makes anti-PUA types even more enraged because they are being called out by other, "cooler", men for being "lesser" men. But there is some truth to it. I don't believe for a moment ANY of these incels never had the opportunity to have non-coercive, no money
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24) exchanged sex with any female at any time in their lives. Those females just did not have the beauty standards that would make those incels want to flaunt that woman on their arm in order to make them appear higher in status *in the eyes of other men and in their own eyes*.
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