HAHAHA. Honestly they went easy on the names in this, I’ve seen way worse in the genealogies lmao.
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Replying to @AdmiralHip @HalstedMedieval
Oh for sure, there are worse names I remember from my undergrad even, but they decided to just call their ruler King Chad which gives a hint about how they managed Murchad ua Briain
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(actually I think the game might leave out the uas and uís? That or Jack and KB didn't even get close!)
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Replying to @HighHawkSeason @HalstedMedieval
Seems to default to mac or nic, but there is a weird misspelling to mag or nig which seems wrong. The dynasties leave out the ui/ua so it’s just Cheinnselaig, for instance.
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Replying to @AdmiralHip @HalstedMedieval
Oh interesting, are they a later invention then? I wonder when, it doesn't SOUND modern to me, but it could be relatively late for all I know. Swapping c for g is a bit weird, though.
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Replying to @HighHawkSeason @HalstedMedieval
Nope, they are definitely Old Irish, developed from aue, or grandfather. I think the g to c thing is just an error tbh. I’ll submit something on the forums if I can be arsed.
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Replying to @AdmiralHip @HalstedMedieval
From what little I know (just chats with Stephen over the years really) I wouldn't be at all surprised to see mag or nig in a source, orthography in the Middle ages being what it was, but yeah, wouldn't be the conventional way of spelling it at all!
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Replying to @HighHawkSeason @HalstedMedieval
Well nic is late, what would have been used was ingen, but mac I have never seen as mag, because mac comes from macc, and mag in Old Irish means plain or field. There were a lot of variations but none with a g.
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Nic is actually pretty definitively modern Irish I think.
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Nic is also etymologically of a different origin though, no? I had always assumed it was a contraction of 'iníon mhic', in a similar way that ní is a contraction of iníon (or however it's spelled in middle/old Irish)
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Correct, it is. Apparently mág is a variant of mac in later Middle Irish but it is far from the norm. Anyway I got into it with someone who tried to argue that mág is from “mac uí” which it certainly isn’t. Lol.
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Replying to @AdmiralHip @NiallOSuill and
In the 9th century, ingen(a) was still used. Inion mhic is pretty late itself I think. Not seen it in my genealogies from the 15th century.
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