I complain about the genealogies a lot (so complicated!) but I love delving into the MSS when I can. Reminded of the beauty of the Great Book of Lecan. I do love the scribe’s hand.pic.twitter.com/LwUlN31cRl
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I was checking on a related Deisi family (Ui Rossa) when I decided to cross check some of the other big genealogical MSS (Ballymote, Lecan, Rawlinson B 502, Book of Leinster). For Lecan, in the catalogue description, I saw this:
"[Dési.] Genealogies of the descendants of Fiacha Sui[g]de, son of Feidlimid Reachtmar, viz.: Dési Muman (Uí Faelan), Uí Brigdi, Uí Rossa, Uí Fer nGair, Uí Aengusa, na Déisi, Clann Eogain Bric, Uí Dicholla and Uí Rossa,Uí Brigde, including a list of seven bishops of this race"
So I went and checked the Bishop List. It follows the Ui Brigte, and at first glance it seems to connect because it talks about a Bishop Colman of Cluain Iain Mor, son of Fortchern. There is a Fortchern in the Ui Brigte, son of Tigernach.
However, in the Book of Leinster, Colman is son of Fortchern son of Dicolla, and while this family is a Deisi family they are not linked to the Ui Brigte, although confusingly after this genealogy they give the genealogy for a Bercan, also Deisi but a different line
And then they say: "I n-h-Uib Luachain i n.h. Brigti isna Desib Muman i n-Druim Luachain" so they locate the Ui Brigte as part of Deisi Muman near Druim Luachain. So, okay, I think that the problem results in seeing a Fortchern and knowing these are Deisi bishops
Linking them to the Deisi family with a Fortchern. But Fortchern isn't entirely rare. It is interesting that this list of Deisi bishops cannot be found in TCD MS 1298 (that I can find, it is not located along with any of the Deisi genealogies but perhaps it is elsewhere).
I wish I had access to O Riain's Corpus genealogiarum sanctorum Hibernaie right now, because he apparently located some of these bishops and religious folk to a few areas in Kildare and one in Waterford. But alas, it is not online anywhere.
But I think this highlights a lot of problems with approaching the Irish genealogies, that it is very difficult to cross ref all entries (and genealogies are frequently repeated and contradicted within one manuscript).
But identifying placenames with ones mentioned in the genealogies can be very useful but for people approaching it after the fact, it is frustrating to not have access to everything right now or to know the rationale.
Oh also there is another Fortchern in the Ui Brigte genealogies, but this one is the son of Fiarlathi/Iarlathi.
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