So (non-art-historian here)... I think this is going entirely off of portrait busts. There’s a lot of extant description of Elagabalus, and very few portraits: the picture of him is pretty clearly just a colorization of the best surviving face.
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Except it doesn’t because the portrait of Septimus Severus is based on his portrait, which is in colour, and depicted him as white anyway. I compared the two, the face is the same but the skin colour isn’t. Regardless, it is dangerous no matter the source material.
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I don’t think the face is the same, to be honest: the nose is broader in the busts than it is in the Tondo, and it looked like it was following the busts. But the busts don’t have skin color and the Tondo does... (while also showing C. as much lighter than S, which this ignores)
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I mean... they're the same person? But the Tondo Severus has much higher cheekbones and a narrower nose. Compare the Glyptotek bust:pic.twitter.com/sdrLbzqlvT
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But also we need to be clear that whatever standards of ideals were used for the busts, they were not veristic portrayals of individuals. To “reconstruct”them in this visual new visual form shows more of our cultural ideals than historical likeness
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Yes, *exactly this.* I also wondered if some the changes in the third century (esp Florianus) can be chalked up to differences in representational convention? Those looked like "third century faces" to me, but I don't have the fluency to explain that hunch in any more detail.
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My point is that the portrait looks like the AI generates image, despite a few differences? I don’t know what data they used, because I suspect they are composites regardless.
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I know they are the same person. My point is that a) they are clearly the same person but the AI is flawed because of the skin colour stuff, and b) even if they were based on busts that doesn’t make it any better b/c other sources out there exist and busts aren’t representative
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Replying to @AdmiralHip @zacharyherz and
Checking the post, the person who did the project seemed to make composites based on the busts but then also defined the appearance from historical texts and discussions of ethnicity. Which is even more problematic to me in how he depicted Septimus and others.
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Which is clearly making some kind of value judgement, and the composites are then ultimately a modern subjective view of individuals in the past.
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I think everyone on this thread is in agreement!
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