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Dr C. M. Bromstick🧹, Dublin
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Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin

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Early Medieval historian: Ireland & Britain, kingship, landscapes, mentalities | knitting, video games, bread | ND | disabled | she/her | #BlackLivesMatter

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    1. David Petts‏ @DavidPetts1 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @DavidPetts1 @salu1292 and

      there has been very little Ancient DNA work done of any kind on early medieval British material - it's a really technique that addresses rather than individuals - the early med A DNA I know of is phttps://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10408opulations 2/3

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    2. David Petts‏ @DavidPetts1 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @DavidPetts1 @salu1292 and

      There are various isotopic stuff that has picked up North Africans in early med contexts - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23737109/  - these could in theory Berber, Vandal, Roman, Arab 3/4

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    3. David Petts‏ @DavidPetts1 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @DavidPetts1 @salu1292 and

      I *think* there were some possible Mediterranean isotopes from Wasperton (although memory fails which side of the Med they were from - North or South)

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. David Petts‏ @DavidPetts1 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @DavidPetts1 @salu1292 and

      Key thing is to appreciate the very real limitations of these 'hard sciences' in picking up things like ethnicity which are essentially social phenomenon. For limitations of use of DNA there have been some great papers by @Boothicus DNA/Isotopes aren't magic wands

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    5. David Petts‏ @DavidPetts1 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @DavidPetts1 @salu1292 and

      This isn't to downplay the importance of these questions or the need to better understand them better- but race/ethnicity aren't things that can be unproblematically mapped / identified scientifically - the methods/results need very careful parsing

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    6. David Petts‏ @DavidPetts1 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @DavidPetts1 @salu1292 and

      There are a serious of useful papers exploring what DNA can and can't tell us here - https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rwar20/51/4  - the issues are far more complex than for isotopic analysis

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. David Petts‏ @DavidPetts1 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @DavidPetts1 @salu1292 and

      And reading back on this thread - I'd emphasise I *do* usually proofread my work...

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    8. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @DavidPetts1 @salu1292 and

      Thanks for the comments. I want to just say that no one was claiming isotopes demonstrated ancestry or that race and ethnicity are uncomplicated. The problem here I think is how discussions regarding Africans in British burial contexts are identified and discussed.

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    9. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @AdmiralHip @DavidPetts1 and

      I pointed to the Ivory Bangle Lady as an example of issues with this, i.e. cranial recon identifies 'white' and 'black' features, then assumes North African origins because of their 'mixed' culture, and the isotopes may be Mediterranean or British. They seem inconclusive.

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    10. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @AdmiralHip @DavidPetts1 and

      In most of these cases though, they seem to have little scholarly discussion, but could certainly do with analysis and contextualisation. Especially with modern narratives of how medieval Britain was "white".

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      Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 23 Jul 2020
      Replying to @AdmiralHip @DavidPetts1 and

      But as you say, the way that individuals are identified is complicated.

      2:36 PM - 23 Jul 2020
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