No, the antiquity article here: http://centaur.reading.ac.uk/17041/1/M_Lewis_Bangle_Lady.pdf …
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Replying to @AdmiralHip @ISASaxonists and
Yeah, it's not phrenology per se, which is not to say that it is not problematic as all hell. I have multiple very strong opinions about ancestry determination which don't necessarily lend themselves well to a Twitter discussion, but I will try here.
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Replying to @UglyShmugly @AdmiralHip and
Note: This is My Personal Opinion (TM) from my training as a paleopathologist, osteologist, and archaeologist, and not any statement from any institutions I am affiliated with or have been affiliated with in the past.
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Replying to @UglyShmugly @AdmiralHip and
In forensic anthropology, which I have limited experience of, ancestry determination may be necessary due to the nature of the work. However, the datasets used and particularly in the article under discussion here, I have serious misgivings about the accuracy of the determination
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Replying to @UglyShmugly @AdmiralHip and
FORDISC (the program used in this examination) has issues. (See some criticisms here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FORDISC ). I winced when I saw it in the article, honestly.
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Replying to @UglyShmugly @AdmiralHip and
Re. the individual in the river, I am about to go look on JSTOR to see if this has been written up anywhere. Personally, I am pretty much discounting everything said in the BBC and Wiltshire news articles about this, since the folks who were quoted appeared to be members of
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Replying to @UglyShmugly @AdmiralHip and
the local historical society tossing around ideas rather than osteologists or researchers specializing in the time period/region.
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As I mentioned before, ancestry determination could be said to have a place in forensics, since the goal of a forensic examination is often to ascertain the identity of a modern individual. Archaeologically, this practice is much less clear cut, particularly in light of the
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Replying to @UglyShmugly @AdmiralHip and
history of bioanthropology. There are multiple multiple problems with this, not least of which is the fact that the baseline datasets are fucked up, incomplete, founded on outmoded/outdated/incorrect assumptions.
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Replying to @UglyShmugly @AdmiralHip and
Additionally, even if we assume that the datasets are not a mess and that the bones really do show ancestry through certain specific traits, admixtures today and in the past would make ancestry determination difficult if not impossible.
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Yes, thank you for this. I found it very distressing that the article talks about 'black' and 'white' features, compares her to Black women in 19th c America, and then from her features makes the North African claim because...they had a lot of mixing? Idk.
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Replying to @AdmiralHip @ISASaxonists and
I'm not finding anything on JSTOR or Google Scholar about this, which may be my search terms or may be that they didn't do any analysis and just did a reburial or stored the individual. Gonna see if I can find info from the local historical society...
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Replying to @UglyShmugly @AdmiralHip and
Yeah, I'm not finding anything at all. My guess would be that if they did send it on somewhere it might be University of Bristol, just looking at the geography and how that's the closest institution???
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