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Dr C. M. Bromstick🧹, Dublin
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    1. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 18 Jul 2020

      @eDIL_Dictionary @ChronHib I don't suppose either of you have insight into the placename "Etarbaine", spelled variously as etarbane or nEtarb iniu. It's a place in Tipperary apparently assoc with the Kings of Cashel, but it's mentioned briefly in the version of TBC in YBL

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    2. post-ChronHib  ✍ ⌨‏ @ChronHib 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @AdmiralHip @eDIL_Dictionary

      If I understand eHogan correctly, Etarba and Etarbane are two different places. Under "etarba", Higan has: Clár a quo Uí Chláre, issed a charn fil i nEtarba iniu "Clare, from which Uí Chláre (comes), this is his cairn which is today (iniu = indíu) in Etarba"

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    3. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @ChronHib @eDIL_Dictionary

      I thought they may have been different, but there may either have been a confusion of two different places or an error. In TCD H.2.7, the passage reads "Is e a cairnd fuil i nEtarb iniu" also, but in Expulsion of the Deisi, the same man was killed at "Etarbaine".

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    4. post-ChronHib  ✍ ⌨‏ @ChronHib 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @AdmiralHip @eDIL_Dictionary

      Okay, I see. Well, I guess the copying error may have gone in both directions, i.e. someone misunderstanding "Etarba iniu" as Etarbaine, or the other way round, turning Etarbainiu into "Etarbe today"...

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    5. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @ChronHib @eDIL_Dictionary

      Yeah, it is difficult to know. Especially since this particular genealogy is for a small Deisi dynasty that was possibly in Wexford. But the fact that etarba means boundary is interesting, because maybe the text is saying the burial is a boundary fert? Not too sure.

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    6. post-ChronHib  ✍ ⌨‏ @ChronHib 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @AdmiralHip @eDIL_Dictionary

      Very difficult to say anything with any certainty. Etarbae has the advantage of being a meaningful word, whereas Etarbaine is not a word as such, nor is it clear what -baine would be supposed to mean. Etar- means "inter-, between".

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    7. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @ChronHib @eDIL_Dictionary

      Yes I agree with you. Sometimes the way the word is written, it’s like EtarbÀine which seems like an editorial choice to maybe link it to Áine rather than -baine, -bane

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    8. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @AdmiralHip @ChronHib @eDIL_Dictionary

      Another variant is Odarb in Lec: "Clar a quo Hui Clara ocus as e acharn fil an odarba cona sil ann"

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    9. post-ChronHib  ✍ ⌨‏ @ChronHib 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @AdmiralHip @eDIL_Dictionary

      Odarba has yet another separate entry in eHogan. There is no indication that either Hogan or Ó Corráin realised that these are just graphic variations of the same name.

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      Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 18 Jul 2020
      Replying to @ChronHib @eDIL_Dictionary

      That’s interesting, I suppose it may be that the genealogy it is linked with hasn’t been discussed much. I wrote a chapter on it for my thesis, but I couldn’t find much on this placename at all.

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        1. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 18 Jul 2020
          Replying to @AdmiralHip @ChronHib @eDIL_Dictionary

          I’m revisiting it as it mentions a burial, which is for another chapter, and I was reminded that I never figured out what it was supposed to be.

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