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Early Medieval historian: Ireland & Britain, kingship, landscapes, mentalities | knitting, video games, bread | ND | disabled | she/her | #BlackLivesMatter

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    1. Dr Eleanor Janega‏ @GoingMedieval 5 Jul 2020

      I mean the average student at York would be at the Cathedral school and would likely have two, possibly three languages. They would have middle English, Latin, and maybe in York some kind of Danish or possibly French. Plenty of students speak that many languages now.

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    2. Dr Eleanor Janega‏ @GoingMedieval 5 Jul 2020

      I think, perhaps, miladdo is referring to contemporary students in the anglophone world who are notoriously not taught languages early enough. Ask a Czech student how many languages they speak. A Moroccan one. A Vietnamese one. The answer may surprise this dude!

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    3. Dr Eleanor Janega‏ @GoingMedieval 5 Jul 2020

      Second the knowledge that people were learning on the trivium and quadrivium was fundamentally different to the way that we approach those subjects now. "The reading music" bit is telling, because what students of the trivium and quadrivium were learning was conceptual.

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    4. Dr Eleanor Janega‏ @GoingMedieval 5 Jul 2020

      Could they read music? Sure! But they weren't there to learn to play the fucking lute. They were studying the concept of music. Also they didn't have polyphony yet, so it's a whole different kettle of fish to what we learn now.

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    5. Dr Eleanor Janega‏ @GoingMedieval 5 Jul 2020

      This also goes for the maths and sciences. Medieval students weren't just learning fractions, they were learning the philosophy behind maths. It's a related subject but not the same.

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    6. Dr Eleanor Janega‏ @GoingMedieval 5 Jul 2020

      Anyway the thing that grates me about this isn't misunderstanding cathedral schools the "get off my lawnn" vibe of the whole thing. Because while these students no doubt were well read and accomplished there were probs only five of them BECAUSE YOU HAD TO BE A RICH DUDE TO BE ONE

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    7. Dr Eleanor Janega‏ @GoingMedieval 5 Jul 2020

      Your family had to be able to spare you from work, so you had to be well to do, and women were not allowed in, so yeah yay the rich boys are clever. Hooray. Not something I am trying to aspire to.

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    8. Dr Eleanor Janega‏ @GoingMedieval 5 Jul 2020

      But also, students in the medieval period, like students now, were notoriously rowdy. They still fucked about, got drunk, chased girls, wrote their dad's for more money and occasionally started riots. See: Paris University for more details (though that is high middle ages).

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    9. Dr Eleanor Janega‏ @GoingMedieval 5 Jul 2020

      Anyway the TL/DR is that this comparison is not helpful and it is the sort of thing that people make when they don't understand either medieval OR modern education. The major continuity is actually the universal down to party vibe of students, which I personally love.

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    10. Dr Eleanor Janega‏ @GoingMedieval 5 Jul 2020

      It has been correctly pointed out to me that Danish is off the cards for students at York cuz that is later ninth century. I don't work on England because it is a medieval backwater and that is the other annoying thing about the initial tweet. Why pick York?? Answer: colonialism.

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      Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 5 Jul 2020
      Replying to @GoingMedieval

      I appreciate the thread, but I think to discount York as just a backwater is highly problematic. We know from burials that not only was it culturally and ethnically diverse but in terms of it being minor is relative. It was for the area a pretty significant seat of power.

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        1. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 5 Jul 2020
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          To assign northern Britain to a periphery only reinforces the idea that these areas were ignorant and didn’t see trade and diversity, when in fact that was the opposite.

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