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Dr C. M. Bromstick🧹, Dublin
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Early Medieval historian: Ireland & Britain, kingship, landscapes, mentalities | knitting, video games, bread | ND | disabled | she/her | #BlackLivesMatter

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    1. Adrian Bott‏ @Cavalorn 29 Nov 2019

      Allege that an originally pagan population kept some of its customs going after conversion to Christianity if you must, but it makes no sense to call that 'appropriation'. That's like saying that eight year old me stole seven year old me's bike.

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    2. Adrian Bott‏ @Cavalorn 29 Nov 2019

      And - thinking specifically of England here - it's deeply patronising to suggest that the people who converted didn't *really* convert, and that their customs somehow remained magically pagan independent of the express will of the practitioners.

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    3. Adrian Bott‏ @Cavalorn 29 Nov 2019

      The problem we continually face - and it's something that has become entrenched in the public imagination - is the belief in holdouts, i.e. a subsection of the population that remained resolutely pagan and kept that going secretly for centuries until today.

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    4. Adrian Bott‏ @Cavalorn 29 Nov 2019

      It's the core of the Murray Thesis and it's responsible for a certain bugger of a stance that one keeps on running into, which I shall attempt to adumbrate:

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    5. Adrian Bott‏ @Cavalorn 29 Nov 2019

      '(Custom) was originally pagan you know.' 'But there's no evidence to suggest it was.' 'Of course not, the Christians destroyed all the evidence.' 'So if the evidence was destroyed, where does this supposed knowledge come from?' 'Continuous clandestine practice, of course.'

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    6. Adrian Bott‏ @Cavalorn 29 Nov 2019

      'But there's no evidence of such continuous clandestine practice.' 'Well, why should the practitioners tell someone like YOU about it?' It's Russell's Teapot but with paganism.

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    7. Adrian Bott‏ @Cavalorn 29 Nov 2019

      And it's fascinating to watch how the claims of continuous clandestine practice adapt to whatever's in vogue at the time. People used to claim ancient Wiccan lineages until Wicca's modern provenance was publicly proven.

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      Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 29 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Cavalorn

      It is frustrating as someone who studies continuance of certain traditions within the conversion era because like, I constantly stress that these people were by and large Christian and if people are being called pagan we only have the polemical evidence from Christian elites

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        2. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 29 Nov 2019
          Replying to @AdmiralHip @Cavalorn

          But one thing that really annoys me with the Irish historiography and that is even the suggestion of some traditions or stories or w/e having some pre-Christian/non-Christian influence suddenly means we’re as bad as Eoin MacNeill

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        3. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 29 Nov 2019
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          And that we’re saying early medieval Ireland is pagan with a Christian veneer. When in reality we can’t make hard lines like that regardless. Lots of reasons why stories and traditions hang on and continue.

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