And, as others have pointed out, it makes huge leaps in terms of the connections between the church and kinship groups, family structure and individuality, etc etc. 6/13https://twitter.com/mccormick_ted/status/1193028975951519745 …
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I am focusing on my specialty, and this claim about Church "policies" starting in 500 CE is...broad. What policies? How were these enforced? We don't know that people even went to confession regularly before the millennium. There's little in secular laws on kinship. 7/13pic.twitter.com/g3tYOLUnjB
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The Church also didn't assert exclusive control over marriage until the 10th and 11th centuries. Yes, they made lots of claims about what you *should* do but we don't have strong evidence they were enforced (and not strong evidence for the late Middle Ages either). 8/13
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So if their big metric is # of centuries "under the influence of the church," are they arguing for a stronger influence of the early church on kinship? And are they claiming that kinship was the Church's primary sexual concern (rather, than, sodomy/adultery/remarriage)? 9/13
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And the citations are wildly terrible. You're going to claim that kinship changes caused sweeping changes in medieval society and then cite JARED DIAMOND and FRANCIS FUKUYAMA?? 10/13pic.twitter.com/fBSEDjplCx
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You're going to claim that kinship ties are the most important structuring institutions in society and then point to Levi-Strauss? 11/13pic.twitter.com/QUk996IkOr
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There's remarkably little citation of medieval scholarship and what is cited is piecemeal. I have no criticism of individual works cited, which are often very good, but they don't add up to a complete picture of medieval attitudes towards sexuality or kinship across Europe. 12/13pic.twitter.com/0SmpY9uXow
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@ISASaxonists and@prof_gabriele have said recently in relation to other "studies" like this, these data studies are built on wildly ahistorical assumptions. This claim that the Church "built the West" rests on a racist foundation. 13/13 https://twitter.com/Lollardfish/status/1197704778505166851 …Erik "Mr. Bloodaxe" Wade added,
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I had an extended thread about this. What you’re saying is basically what I was saying then: how tf would the Church enforce any of this? How can any of this info be comparable?
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Link if you are curious. I had a number of scientists get angry at me, including one of the authors. One guy called me vitriolic.https://twitter.com/AdmiralHip/status/1192869222759763968 …
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I can’t believe I missed this! ThNk you for sharing! Omg, they attacked you? Talk about fragile
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So from day one I was asking where their medieval sources were. And this one scientist (who initially called me his comrade) was telling me how to access their data sets (but it required a programme), but that didn’t indicate their sources to me.
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