I've always treated such claims as skeptical and teleological? idk maybe i'm missing some brilliant study out there, but a lot of it seems to be really trying to draw a line between "primitive tribalism" and "Good Modernity Times"
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Replying to @AdmiralHip
and here i thought we'd binned evolutionary theory ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Replying to @HalstedMedieval @AdmiralHip
Wait, I'm just asking for the emergence of first signs of individualism. If you're sceptical of what you call "broad brush" approaches, surely you have detailed narrative accounts of how specific individualistic traits (however you define them) came abt in certain times & places?
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Replying to @ruschenpohler @AdmiralHip
That's the problem, I'm not sure what I define as an "individualistic trait." We'd need to have a long discussion about what individuality is before we get to defining when its component parts show up.
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This is not my specialty so I'm sure others will chime in with better info; I've just never seen this done in a way I'm comfortable with
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Replying to @HalstedMedieval @ruschenpohler
That’s fair. I saw it in discussions of art and literature, not like in “genes” or whatever.
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Replying to @AdmiralHip @ruschenpohler
No I totally get that. I guess I'm just skeptical about what constitutes individuality or its appearance in those forms. Like I've seen romances talked about as the rise of the "individual" or the first appearance of the "novel" form but are we forgetting about Apuleius?
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(obviously gene stuff is bunk. sorry i'm not explaining myself well here, this is not my field)
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Replying to @HalstedMedieval @AdmiralHip
Obviously not an expert on your field & how the advent of carbon dating and ancient-DNA analyses changed it. But when you say it's "bunk", what do you mean? What is its core weakness that doesn't help you answer the questions your field is asking?
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Because when we talk about individuality genes and the like, that kind of talk is usually within the wider discussion of eugenics and race science. So it's not good.
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