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Early Medieval historian: Ireland & Britain, kingship, landscapes, mentalities | knitting, video games, bread | ND | disabled | she/her | #BlackLivesMatter

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    Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

    Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin Retweeted Matt Gabriele

    Since several scientists can't just take the word of however many medievalists (not just historians either) have said this is bad scholarship, and why, here are some sources. Because I'm feeling generous.https://twitter.com/prof_gabriele/status/1192655774029406209 …

    Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin added,

    Matt GabrieleVerified account @prof_gabriele
    this is very, very bad scholarship. @sciencemagazine should be absolutely ashamed for publishing this. #medievaltwitter #twitterstorians https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/11/how-early-christian-church-gave-birth-today-s-weird-europeans …
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      2. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        So, the premise that laws set in the 6th c AD led to democratic institutions in modern day is the sort of framing that we avoid in history: progressivism. Where the past is framed in perspective of modern outcomes, of inevitability.

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      3. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Medieval history should not be studied in a vacuum, but when we trace continuity from 1500 years ago to today, that ignores that events as they occur don't have a goal, nothing has just one rooting factor, and history is messy.

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      4. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        I also want to say that consanguinity was not the same, over all periods, or enforced. Yes, marriage eventually became considered a sacrament. But that didn't stop a regular couple living in rural wherever from basically just exchanging gifts and saying, okay we're married.

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      5. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Medieval marriage is a difficult and complex topic that intersects with the Church, dogma, control, political unions, economics, etc.

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      6. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Also, when we talk about it we usually discuss it within the perspective of the visible people in the sources aka nobles.

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      7. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        So, onto sources. Constance B. Bouchard, "Consanguinity and Noble Marriages in Tenth and Eleventh Century France," Speculum 56:2 (1981): 268 - 287. Discusses that consanguinity was maintained, however, it was not always adhered to and there were ways to skirt around it.

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      8. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Mayke de Jong, "An Unsolved Riddle: Early Medieval Incest Legislation," in Franks and Alamanni in the Merovingian Period: An Ethnographic Perspective, which surveys the problems of the topic and the debates.

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      9. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Also, the erosion of family ties is something that is widely discussed under the entirety of the scholarship on feudalism (however applicable/inapplicable that word and model may be now). I mean...Marc Bloch. Scholarship has moved past him but...foundational.

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      10. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Medieval marriage is widely discussed. WIDELY discussed. Georges Duby is a classic, albeit outdated perhaps now.

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      11. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Any of you scientists who claim to want to know more about it? Go to google scholar and input "medieval consanguinity" or "medieval marriage" or "medieval families" or something of the like.

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      12. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        I went through the sources on this: I saw @rmkarras cited for a brief comment about early medieval Europe before the Church started to mandate marriage as a sacrament.

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      13. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Okay so I take some SERIOUS issues with this right here:pic.twitter.com/SzVni2meSK

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      14. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Yes, the Church advocated consent. Didn't always happen, and arranged marriages occurred a lot. However, adoption: not banned, fosterage was common in early medieval Ireland. Households were not nuclear, and may have contained many relatives and different families

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      15. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Concubinage also continued, for a long time. Not necessarily "legally" but shall I point to the Merovingians? Also, remarriage happened SO OFTEN. The idea of "weak" kinship ties is...very inaccurate.

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      16. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Kinship was an ever changing thing. For nobles it defined your right to inherit titles, and primogeniture was not the norm for a long time. Also, people invented kinships and genealogies.

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      17. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        But the fact that their data cannot account for peasantry of which we have very spotty demographic marriage data, then this whole study is ridiculous.

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      18. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        And also, it totally ignores the fact that cousin marriages were in fact very common in the post-medieval period. Like please explain to me how this works when 18th and 19th c England and Ireland have many examples of cousin marriage.

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      19. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        You know what’s worse than not citing historians? Is citing historians and not actually considering what they wrote, and having a lack of engagement with the wider discourse. It means that you looked, stopped when you found what you thought you needed, and didn’t go further.

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      20. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        So their map: premise is regarding the early Church contact with the world and the impact on kin structures. Okay so not only is the premise here that the early medieval Church was a Western European thing, it ignores the origins and impact of Christianity in the following places

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      21. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Ethiopia being the biggest one, but in general it oversimplifies the Church in N Africa and the Middle East quite significantly.

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      22. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Also re: data sets. They are comparing modern evidence (presumably of regular people but I have no idea) with the aforementioned spotty kinship data of the medieval period and just mashing it all up together and presenting that as a model.

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      23. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Did no one see the problems inherent in that?

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      24. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 8 Nov 2019

        Also if someone could point out their primary sources/data sets to me in this, I would love that. Because I cannot for the love of me find them in the paper. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6466/eaau5141 …

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      25. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 9 Nov 2019

        Since some person decided to be rather rude about the medievalists who are more than justified in calling this paper out, I want to just highlight something regarding medieval history that I mentioned yesterday.

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      26. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 9 Nov 2019

        We do not (generally) look at how the past precipated things in the distant future, whether that be nations, ideologies, impacts.

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      27. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 9 Nov 2019

        Simply because it is impossible to boil it down to one cause, one thing.

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      28. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 9 Nov 2019

        The Church’s rules against cousin marriage cannot explain modern Western society.

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      29. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 9 Nov 2019

        Because not only was it not enforced in a way we can accurately understand, but for the Early Modern period when we do have much more demographic data, we know cousin marriages were very common in places like England and I suspect Ireland also.

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      30. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 9 Nov 2019

        And very likely elsewhere.

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      31. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 9 Nov 2019

        So you can’t say, well the systemic contact with the church led to ideas of individuality and such because...that is so Eurocentric and ignores modern data also.

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