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Dr C. M. Bromstick🧹, Dublin
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Early Medieval historian: Ireland & Britain, kingship, landscapes, mentalities | knitting, video games, bread | ND | disabled | she/her | #BlackLivesMatter

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    1. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 5 Sep 2019

      @ChronHib I have a question for you, if that's alright. For my PhD I have looked at some Irish genealogies from some MSS, specifically ones with some very old OIr (TCD MS H.2.7 for example), but I have been told by two people that this archaic lang can't be seen as early

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    2. post-ChronHib  ✍ ⌨‏ @ChronHib 5 Sep 2019
      Replying to @AdmiralHip

      Hi, I would have to look at them to be able to give a specific judgment. Where are they published? In CGH? Generally speaking, I would say that people in the 10-12 cent would not have been able to artificially archaise in such a way that we wouldn't be able to notice it.

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    3. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 5 Sep 2019
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      It’s not in CGH but the archaisms were noted by Ó Corráin in his Clavis Litterarum: the example I can give off the top of my head is the pre-syncope form of Anflath being Anblomath and an early hypocoristic form of Brion: Do Brio. They appear twice in the MSS

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    4. post-ChronHib  ✍ ⌨‏ @ChronHib 5 Sep 2019
      Replying to @AdmiralHip

      Can you give me the precise reference to Ó Corráin's Clavis? I would certainly follow his word in such matters. I know that he believed that some genealogies were very early, i.e. early 7th cent (which I find very exciting). I am not sure about the Anflath/Anblomath question...

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    5. post-ChronHib  ✍ ⌨‏ @ChronHib 5 Sep 2019
      Replying to @ChronHib @AdmiralHip

      Anflath (Anbloth in CGH?) looks like negative an- + flath- (=flaith?). No syncope would be expected there. Also I don't see how Anblomath would turn into Anflath by syncope. It would be good to know what etymology is thought to underly this name.

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    6. post-ChronHib  ✍ ⌨‏ @ChronHib 5 Sep 2019
      Replying to @ChronHib @AdmiralHip

      Anblamath corresponds to Ogam ANAVLAMATTIAS (CIIC 124). And yes, Anblamath looks unsyncopated, it should rather be Anbalmath with regular syncope. The second of the five As of ANAVLAMATTIAS, by the way, is just epenthetic, i.e. doesn't count for syncope.

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      Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 5 Sep 2019
      Replying to @ChronHib

      I’m reciting his footnote from Clavis from memory, I know Damian McManus does not agree with it. I don’t recall a page from the top of my head but I believe it is the first volume, one of the initial footnotes in the introduction.

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        2. post-ChronHib  ✍ ⌨‏ @ChronHib 5 Sep 2019
          Replying to @AdmiralHip

          Have it!pic.twitter.com/Pgs8mqfTjv

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        3. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 5 Sep 2019
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          That’s the one!

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        2. Dr C. M. Bromstick 🧹, Dublin‏ @AdmiralHip 5 Sep 2019
          Replying to @AdmiralHip @ChronHib

          The question of early language being truly early is based on this book Dark Speech by Robin Stacey, at least that what these two gents said. Haven’t read the book myself as it deals with Irish law.

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        3. Christopher Yocum‏ @cyocum 5 Sep 2019
          Replying to @AdmiralHip @ChronHib

          yes, rosc is considered by some to be very early but it has been a long time since I have had the chance to get back into it. I have Dark Speech on my bookshelf so I will have a look this weekend.

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