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Human rights barrister at @DoughtyStPublic. Founder and Chair of @rights_info. Founder @UKhumanrightsb. Views my own

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    1. Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      3/ The Leeds contempt finding was a total dog's breakfast. There were 4 errors. (1) It was rushed through for no good reason, (2) there was no clear statement of what he was accused of, (3) his sentencing was messed up, (4) the haste meant his lawyer couldn't properly mitigatepic.twitter.com/MJwKv1muH1

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    2. Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      4/ This is clearly the right result. Contempt findings can happen very quickly and in highly charged situations - and you don't get more highly charged than this. So it is essential, as courts have said repeatedly, to get procedure spot on as procedure protects against injustice

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    3. Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      5/ The Court of Appeal was scathing of the judge who imposed the contempt. No real sympathy despite the emotional charge around the case. Here are some key bits of the judgment highlighted.pic.twitter.com/QCCCwacuyz

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    4. Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      6/ The court also pointed out than error in the way the Judge wrote the order meant that Robinson was imprisoned under the wrong regime. Very bad - and the fact that this is high profile (internationally too) makes it worse in a waypic.twitter.com/ZcJYoyLN6j

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    5. Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      7/ Where does this leave us? Is this all an establishment conspiracy with political overtones. Clearly not. The first contempt finding in Canterbury was approved by the Court of Appeal which was clearly being fair and reasonable and not afraid to criticise judges below.

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    6. Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      8/ The fact that we have an independent Court of Appeal who are fearless in upholding rights of whoever comes before them shows this isn't an "establishment conspiracy" which "reaches all the way to the top". Good on the Court of Appeal who approached this without fear or favour

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    7. Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      9/ Tommy Robinson is someone whose politics I can't stand. He has also acted recklessly and still may be found guilty of contempt before a different judge (and the Canterbury ruling still stands). But that shouldn't detract from this being a failure by the Crown Court

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    8. Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      10/ I think there was a bit of a rush here on Twitter to assume Robinson had been treated fairly and was guilty. If I was part of that rush then I apologise. Human rights apply to all humans even those we disagree with. The judge here, and all of us, should have kept that in mind

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    9. Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      11/ This is clearly, to me, a cock up not conspiracy. I am basing that on years of experience of seeing how the courts operate. Judges are human and make these kind of mistakes. I have been involved in cases with no political content at all where this kind of thing has happened.

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    10. Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      12/ I will leave you with my @Guardian article on the alt right and how this is all part of the plan. Robinson wins whatever, but now he has been given a huge turbo boost and will be seen as a martyr. As Trump would say, SAD.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/30/tommy-robinson-alt-right-tactics-uk-contempt-laws …

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      Adam Wagner‏Verified account @AdamWagner1 Aug 1

      13/ Final thought. Liberal democracy, which Robinson holds in contempt, is about free speech and giving the people we despise the rights that we cherish. That means institutions must be able to admit and correct errors. It is a tribute to the courts that they have done that here

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        2. PaulPopper‏ @formerleft Aug 1
          Replying to @AdamWagner1

          your suggestion that he hates 'liberal democracy' is an example of the failure of the elite to understand what is happening within your own society. Address the issues & Tommy Robinson doesn't exist. He's the Establishment's Frankensteins Monster

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        3. Paul Fanning‏ @trivet1806 Aug 1
          Replying to @formerleft @AdamWagner1

          Exactly. In fact, the greatest threat to liberal democracy is a loss of faith in the institutions that sustain it. Thus, when people feel they are ignored and despised by the police, courts, media or politicians, they will inevitably turn to figures like Robinson.

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        4. PaulPopper‏ @formerleft Aug 1
          Replying to @trivet1806 @AdamWagner1

          the virtue of admitting mistakes and corrections of liberal democracy should mean our Establishment deals with the rape gangs & flaws of multiculturalism & deals with Islamism. Why isn't it? Something has malfunctioned...

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        5. Paul Fanning‏ @trivet1806 Aug 1
          Replying to @formerleft @AdamWagner1

          It’s malfunctioned because a vague ideal of progressive virtue has been allowed to take precedence over all the proper functions and duties of the state. No truth is too self-evident, no crime too egregious that it cannot be denied or covered up to protect this absurd dogma.

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        1. PaulPopper‏ @formerleft Aug 1
          Replying to @AdamWagner1

          bottom line is that if our Establishment hadn't been complicit in the rape of untold thousands of girls by racist grooming gangs, & had dealt firmly with Islamists & punished jihadis & ISIS, Tommy Robinson wouldn't even exist

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        1. Robert Dyson‏ @RobertDDyson Aug 1
          Replying to @AdamWagner1

          How does liberal-democracy contain illiberal-authoritarianism? We play by the rules, they break the rules.

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        2. We Need to Talk About Islam  ❌‏ @WNTTAI Aug 1
          Replying to @AdamWagner1

          "Liberal democracy, which Robinson holds in contempt" - Why though? Is it not admirable to highlight the issues of grooming gangs, FGM, honour violence, etc, etc. Ignoring these issues (as many people do, due to fear of being called racist) is not exactly liberal behaviour.

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        3. Gabriel Webber‏ @gabrielquotes Aug 1
          Replying to @WNTTAI

          Literally nobody’s ignoring them. And we all know about them - Tommy Robinson isn’t exposing something previously secret. What he is doing is harassing minorities for political purposes.

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        4. TonyF  🇬🇧  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿‏ @ferrino100 Aug 1
          Replying to @gabrielquotes @WNTTAI

          Islamic grooming gangs were ignored/covered up for decades - just read the Jay and Casey inquiries into Rotherham. If, like Tommy, you'd had a relative fall victim to a grooming gang, maybe you'd care - but such things don't happen (yet) in your cosy liberal middle class world.

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        5. Gabriel Webber‏ @gabrielquotes Aug 1
          Replying to @ferrino100 @WNTTAI

          They may have been covered up for decades, until they were exposed by those inquiries (the inquiries you fondly cite, incidentally, were run by that Establishment you so despise). But I was speaking in the present tense so nothing I said was incorrect.

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        6. TonyF  🇬🇧  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿‏ @ferrino100 Aug 1
          Replying to @gabrielquotes @WNTTAI

          But these inquiries didn't just happen out of the blue - they happened after years of campaigning and attempted whistle-blowing by brave people who were labelled racists and Islamophobes, and had their careers and reputations destroyed. And it continues see e.g. Sarah Champion.

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        7. Gabriel Webber‏ @gabrielquotes Aug 1
          Replying to @ferrino100 @WNTTAI

          The whistleblowers were not, in general, though, convicted criminals who were motivated by a dislike of foreigners rather than by a desire to look after the vulnerable.

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        8. TonyF  🇬🇧  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿‏ @ferrino100 Aug 1
          Replying to @gabrielquotes @WNTTAI

          Any evidence that Tommy Robinson dislikes foreigners? He was imprisoned for mortgage fraud (Peter Mandelson became a European Commissioner after far greater mortgage fraud). He was then convicted of assault for fighting a racist who'd infiltrated the EDL while he was in prison.

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        9. Gabriel Webber‏ @gabrielquotes Aug 1
          Replying to @ferrino100 @WNTTAI

          pic.twitter.com/3LqDXPFEmZ

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        2. Entryist Stevie‏ @halfbob Aug 1
          Replying to @AdamWagner1

          Too lenient on the Leeds Judge. His (multiple) mistakes could have led to TR/SY-L coming to real harm in prison. Shrugging it off with "he's human, these things happen" in my view isn't taking it seriously enough. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy to be dangerously negligent.

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        2. DeplorableBristolian  ❌‏ @deplorabristol Aug 1
          Replying to @AdamWagner1

          Error or intentional bias by the judge? What evidence do you have that Tommy holds liberal democracy in contempt?

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        3. Gabriel Webber‏ @gabrielquotes Aug 1
          Replying to @deplorabristol

          Error

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        4. DeplorableBristolian  ❌‏ @deplorabristol Aug 1
          Replying to @gabrielquotes

          Then that will be why he was photographed looking from a window at Tommy and laughing?

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        5. Gabriel Webber‏ @gabrielquotes Aug 1
          Replying to @deplorabristol

          *This* is your evidence of judicial bias? Seriously? Even Tommy Robinson himself chose not to use that as a ground of appeal.pic.twitter.com/bz3I9L59id

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        6. DeplorableBristolian  ❌‏ @deplorabristol Aug 1
          Replying to @gabrielquotes

          So what you are arguing is that the judge is incompetent?

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        7. Gabriel Webber‏ @gabrielquotes Aug 1
          Replying to @deplorabristol

          Did I say that or did you just put the word into my mouth?

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        8. DeplorableBristolian  ❌‏ @deplorabristol Aug 1
          Replying to @gabrielquotes

          To make one error may be regarded as a misfortune; to make this many looks like incompetence or malice.pic.twitter.com/qWxxlC6c0o

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        9. Gabriel Webber‏ @gabrielquotes Aug 1
          Replying to @deplorabristol

          Then that’s your opinion.

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