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    1. Adam Marblestone‏ @AdamMarblestone 21 Nov 2019
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      Consider an architecture where each module predicts its many inputs as a function of its outputs and some global conditioning. Might be very modular, despite the use of backprop like gradient flows.

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    2. KordingLab  👨‍💻 🧠∇ 🔬 📈, 🏋️‍♂️ ⛷️ 🏂 🛹 🕺 ⛰️ ☕ 🦖‏ @KordingLab 21 Nov 2019
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      We may conclude that BP is not sufficient as a model of how the brain works (duh). Clearly the brain has a bias towards forming modules that vanilla BP does not have. I mean yes, there is anatomy in the brain. There is also anatomy in ANNs.

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    3. KordingLab  👨‍💻 🧠∇ 🔬 📈, 🏋️‍♂️ ⛷️ 🏂 🛹 🕺 ⛰️ ☕ 🦖‏ @KordingLab 21 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @KordingLab @AdamMarblestone and

      And I am pretty sure I could construct memory ANNs that will be ok for non-memory tasks if you remove the memory module.

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    4. KordingLab  👨‍💻 🧠∇ 🔬 📈, 🏋️‍♂️ ⛷️ 🏂 🛹 🕺 ⛰️ ☕ 🦖‏ @KordingLab 21 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @KordingLab @AdamMarblestone and

      But here is something that DNNs can't currently do and we should teach them: mental rehearsing. I can simulate my body, or my visual system, or my auditory system, or my pathfinding system, or my high level planning system, by itself, at varying simulation speed. And fix them.

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    5. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 21 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @KordingLab @AdamMarblestone and

      In the old days, one of the alternative names of neural networks was Function networks. It seems people have forgotten that ANNs are CS concepts. So, it's important to know, backpropagation is 100% a symbolic algorithm for computing gradients (in continuation passing style).

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    6. KordingLab  👨‍💻 🧠∇ 🔬 📈, 🏋️‍♂️ ⛷️ 🏂 🛹 🕺 ⛰️ ☕ 🦖‏ @KordingLab 21 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @sir_deenicus @AdamMarblestone and

      In the older days backpropagation was called chain rule and a mathematical concept ;)

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    7. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 21 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @KordingLab @AdamMarblestone and

      Yep, backprop computes the gradient based on the chain rule. But the actual implementation is by a special case of message passing (via shortest paths) on a graph representation of the formula. Then there's the reverse flow with symbols evaluated + caching (can view as CPS)

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    8. Adam Marblestone‏ @AdamMarblestone 21 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @sir_deenicus @KordingLab and

      That, or perhaps, say, inhibitory interneurons and apical dendrites... https://arxiv.org/abs/1801.00062 

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    9. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 21 Nov 2019
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      I know I'm being pedantic here, but I think it's important for clarity: in order to count as backprop you need to be able show that this process breaks up the computation of gradients in such a way that Bellman optimality is satisfied. Is this true?

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    10. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 21 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @sir_deenicus @AdamMarblestone and

      Furthermore there has to be something that holds intermediate state such that it can be viewed as back-filling intermediate values from a cache of some sort.

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      Adam Marblestone‏ @AdamMarblestone 21 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @sir_deenicus @KordingLab and

      I don’t think you need any of that, necessarily. See Synthetic Gradients paper above.

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        2. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 21 Nov 2019
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          Again, I'm being pedantic but, if you're not doing that then it isn't backpropagation, it's some other method of computing gradients. But then, it's worth asking, why gradients? What are losses? Why not say, importance sampling or expectation propagation for learning?

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        3. deen-chan‏ @sir_deenicus 21 Nov 2019
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          Replying to @sir_deenicus @AdamMarblestone and

          Importance sampling is easy and expectation propagation has a very similar structure to backprop. I'm not skeptical of backprop or Neural nets in the usual sense. I more think they're a specific parameterization of a much broader class that some may be over-fitting to.

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