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    1. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun 22 Oct 2019
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      Learning by example from supervisors and colleagues is teaching in the sense I mean. I don't mean bad-epistemology "teaching". I mean "there is some knowledge in an existing system which gets (semi reliably) transferred to a person who wants to learn this existing knowledge".

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    2. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher 22 Oct 2019
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      But if @Crit_Rat is observing other researchers then guessing what’s happening with minimal input from those others unless he asks them...that’s rather non-coercive, no?

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    3. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun 22 Oct 2019
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      Which would be great if it were available to everyone — rather than requiring a) school, and/or b) the ability to do research in the first place.

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    4. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun 22 Oct 2019
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      Take someone who doesn't want to do university courses, but does want to get into research, and doesn't already know how to do effective research. What options does such a person have?

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    5. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun 22 Oct 2019
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      (Maybe @Meaningness or @SamoBurja have ideas?)

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 Oct 2019
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      Hmm…. it might depend on what field you want to do research in? Probably you need to join a community of practice. Nowadays those are virtually always controlled by increasingly-dysfunctional institutions with high barriers to entry.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 Oct 2019
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      Possibly you can find an eccentric individual mentor (but that has obvious downsides). A few research institutions are independent of universities and industry, but mostly they demand a graduate degree, and aren’t interested in fostering learning as such.

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 Oct 2019
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      It’s obvious to many people that something has to replace research universities, or at least supplement them, because they don’t work well anymore. However, no one has more than a vague sense of what that might be.

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    9. Adam Strandberg‏ @The_Lagrangian 22 Oct 2019
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      I have been searching for exactly this, but yes- the main advice that I have gotten is that while academia sucks, it's sort of the only way because it's the only way to find communities of practice. Specifically got this from someone who did independent research b4 grad school

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 Oct 2019
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      Yup. Ideally you need a primary mentor (PhD advisor) and a community of near-peers, some a bit ahead of you (your advisor’s research team). If one or the other of those is dysfunctional, it can still work, just. Without either… it’s maybe not impossible, but extremely unusual.

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      Adam Marblestone‏ @AdamMarblestone 22 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @The_Lagrangian and

      I’ve made a habit of helping rescue brilliant Thiel fellow types, who oft lack such a community of practice in research, into the most open-minded bio PhD programs/advisors/labs who themselves like to “hack the system“ a bit. & I’m in one myself now as a newbie to AI in my 30’s.

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 Oct 2019
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          This is extremely interesting; the Fellows program was a fascinating experiment, but I was afraid it might have exactly this downside. I’d love to learn more about how it has gone for people.

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        3. Adam Marblestone‏ @AdamMarblestone 22 Oct 2019
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          It is frightening that truly enabling settings are so rare. A twist is to bring ppl up in traditional universities, but fund & network them in ways that partially insulate from some of the “coercive” aspects. That’s what Hertz Foundation’s “freedom to innovate” means, in part.

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