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    Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

    1/ There are now about 20 randomized clinical trials (RCTs) of ivermectin for covid. They overwhelmingly show reductions in mortality, when used in adequate doses and in patients who are in early enough stages of the disease.

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      2. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        2 / The Kory et al review encompasses both observational and RCT data. It was published in early May in a peer-reviewed journal, the American Journal of Therapeutics, and is already the most-viewed paper in the journal’s history. It's also very readable. https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/06000/Review_of_the_Emerging_Evidence_Demonstrating_the.4.aspx …pic.twitter.com/sNpR2KsjI0

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      3. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        3 / The Bryant, Lawrie et al metanalysis is very rigorous (only considers the RCTs etc) and reaches similar conclusions: about a 70% relative reduction in mortality when used in adequate doses and early enough. (Lawrie is a veteran Cochrane reviewer.) https:2.1//osf.io/k37ft/

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      4. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        4/ Now some reminders. A randomized clinical trial (RCT) assigns randomly a share (typically half) of the patients to a group that receives the treatment, and the remainder are assigned to a group (the “control group”) that does *not* get the treatment.

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      5. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        5/ The difference in a given outcome (for example death) between the 2 groups is the estimate of the effect of the treatment. If 4% of the treatment group and 12% of the control group died, then the "relative reduction effect" was 67%, meaning the % of death was reduced by 2/3

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      6. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        6 / Small RCTs have small samples and are subject to plenty of statistical “noise” (i.e., “good or bad luck”). Organizing very large RCTs is expensive and cumbersome. Only large pharma companies and state bureaucracies can do that. For cheap generic drugs this very rarely happens

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      7. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        7/ With only small or medium-size RCTs one does a “metanalysis”. A metanalysis pools the data from several smaller RCTs, then analyses them jointly to obtain more precise estimates of both the *size* of the effect and of the *probability* that it actually exists.

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      8. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        8/ In a metanalysis the “forest plot" shows the estimates of each RCT and of the pooled analysis. (In the screenshot: effect on death from the Bryant-Lawrie metanalysis.)pic.twitter.com/dlkCnpF7pk

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      9. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        9/ Diamonds to the left of the vertical line show that the ivermectin group did better than the control group in that RCT. The bottom diamond is the joint, pooled result of all the RCTs.

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      10. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        10/ All of the RCTs above show reductions in death, with two exceptions: Rezai, a tiny RCT (so with a lot of room for luck, good or bad) with 1 death in IVM group and 0 deaths in control; and Fonseca/Galan, an RCT in severe hospitalized patients where the groups essentially tied.

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      11. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        11/ The pooled estimate of the Bryant-Lawrie metanalysis is an 72% relative reduction in deaths. Kory at al reaches a similar estimates. So does the data from every comprehensive metanalysis of ivermectin for covid in early treatment.

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      12. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        12/ Now for *safety* of ivermectin: it is extremely safe in adequate doses. The pre-covid (therefore pre-politization) literature tested safety with doses even 10x the doses typically used for covid, see for instance the linked paperhttps://ascpt.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/cpt.1219 …

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      13. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        13/ Also regarding safety, Merck has donated more than 4 billion [sic] doses to Africa and other countries. (More on Merck and ivermectin further down the thread). https://mectizan.org/partners/merck/ pic.twitter.com/qWxXHs8XGI

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      14. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        14/ Now for a few caveats. First, it’s not clear how much or whether ivermcetin is effective in *severe* hospitalized patients. The Fonseca/Galan et al RCT is fairly small but suggests it might not be effective in that very advanced stage:https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20477724.2021.1890887 …

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      15. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        15/ Second caveat: some advocates have overreached in claiming that ivermectin will “end the pandemic”. The RCT data show it won’t, but will reduce GREATLY the number of deaths (as it is currently doing in Mexico city, parts of India and a growing number of regions and countries)

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      16. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        16/ Third caveat: even if the true mortality efficacy of ivermectin for early covid is actually close to the 70% relative reduction found in the metanalyses above is correct, this is still well below the mortality reduction of the main vaccines.

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      17. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        17/ Choosing BETWEEN early treatment and vaccines is a false dichotomy. BOTH should be used, given good safety profiles. Lots of people who don’t have access to vaccines yet. This includes as of now most people in my country, Brazil, where about 2000 people are dying each day.

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      18. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        18/ Treatment is for those with covid; vaccines are for the broad population (with priority for at-risk groups). The tribal dispute between treatment proponents and vaccination proponents is one of the most irrational and destructive tribalisms humanity has ever witnessed.

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      19. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        19/ Ivermectin has both antiviral and antinflammatory properties. This makes it specially suited for covid in early phases of disease. Here Eli Schwartz of Tel Aviv University explains the antiviral properties found in his RCT:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdEbJ8TJDkw …

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      20. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        20/ Roughly speaking, the “p-value” of an RCT gives the certainty of the effect found in a given RCT. An RCT where the ivermectin group does better than the control group with p-value > 0.05 is NOT evidence *against* efficacy, but instead (weak, by itself) evidence *for* it.

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      21. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        21/ Lots of weak evidence constitutes strong evidence; this is what the ivermectin metanalyses show. The effect is often so strong that p<0.05 is attained even in isolated small RCTs. Jointl, the RCTs yield very strong evidence of efficacy (when early, adequate doses etc)

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      22. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        22/ This Nature paper explains among other things the basic “bright-line fallacy” of mistaking weak evidence for efficacy for (strong) evidence against efficacy:https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00857-9 …

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      23. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        23/ Another point: “preprints don’t count” is science-as-bureaucracy, a lawyer’s argument. Data, duly parsed, speaks. The ivermectin RCT data speaks volumes: there were large, consistent reductions in mortality in the early treatment and moderate hospitalized RCTs.

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      24. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        24/ In any case, there are several of peer-reviewed RCTs by now. The Mahmud, Okumus, and Chaccour RCTs are already published at this point. The Lopez-Medina RCT published in JAMA had 0 deaths in IVM group and one in control group (also less clinical deterioration etc). And so on.

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      25. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        25/ By the way, the Bryant-Lawrie metanalysis (item 3 in this thread) has been accepted for publication in a peer-reviewed journal. The Kory et al review (item 2) is already published. Others are forthcoming.

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      26. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        26/ Arguing for the blanket exclusion of the RCTs as “low quality” is a copout. For a “hard”, unambiguous outcome such as death, only massive, coordinated fraud across continents by the researchers running these RCTs would explain these results.

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      27. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        27/ Here is a video interview of Lawrie (of the Bryant-Lawrie metanalysis) addressing these and other issues:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ju5v4TAaQ …

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      28. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        28/ In addition to all the (human) RCTs, there is also an "animal model" study on mice published in Nature Scientific Communications indicating efficacy (in an animal study the subjects can be autopsied, yielding finer data on organ damage and so on):https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-86679-0 …

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      29. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        29/ In 2015 Satoshi Omura won the Nobel Prize in Medicine for having among other things discovered ivermectin. In the paper below Omura et al argue and give a rationale for the mass use of ivermectin for covid: http://jja-contents.wdc-jp.com/pdf/JJA74/74-1-open/74-1_44-95.pdf …

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      30. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        30/ Now for the notorious Merck note arguing that there is no effectiveness or safety data for ivermectin. On safety, Merck has donated > 1 billon doses. On effectiveness, see this whole thread.

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      31. Flavio Abdenur‏ @AbdenurFlavio May 29

        31/ Ivermectin is cheap, abundant, and under no patent. Monulpiravir, on the other hand, is the (expensive, patented) antiviral that Merck is marketing. Do the math.

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