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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 15 Apr 2018

      All you TERFs who fret about what's happening to women's sport? You're the shrill, angry "Surly Shirleys" of 2018. Get over it. It's "just the way it is now."https://4thwavenow.com/2018/04/15/surly-shirley-and-the-assault-on-womens-sport-then-and-now/ …

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    2. Katherine Trill  💙‏ @KittyTrill 15 Apr 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow

      @Scribberlings an interesting piece but alghtlt out of context quote by Hall at the end there which doesn't do the situation justice. Hall admits she didn't run her best that day.pic.twitter.com/v8QIPv1IP8

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    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 16 Apr 2018
      Replying to @KittyTrill @Scribberlings

      You aren't seriously suggesting that Hall's comment that she "can't really say what she wants to say" isn't about Yearwood, a male teen who had gone through puberty, being allowed to compete "as a girl"? And did you read the 2nd source link in the paragraph you're criticizing?pic.twitter.com/w00LFwxPwG

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    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 16 Apr 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @KittyTrill @Scribberlings

      Are you suggesting the "context" (that Hall didn't run her best race that day) somehow weakens the point: That a male teen running against a female teen is patently unfair? The Yearwood case, in fact, is one of the most blatant examples of the excesses of gender-identity politics

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    5. Katherine Trill  💙‏ @KittyTrill 16 Apr 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Scribberlings

      I find it uncomfortable when people quote things out of context. I find it gets in the way of honest debate. The article you listed did not mention that Hall admitted they thought they could have been yearwood on a good day.

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    6. Katherine Trill  💙‏ @KittyTrill 16 Apr 2018
      Replying to @KittyTrill @4th_WaveNow @Scribberlings

      And the article you quoted also failed to mention that yearwood is building up to transition when old enough. It implies yearwood was only doing this to win races which again isn't helping the real debate.

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    7. Katherine Trill  💙‏ @KittyTrill 16 Apr 2018
      Replying to @KittyTrill @4th_WaveNow @Scribberlings

      If the ruling is that people cannot compete unless their physical form matches the face sex then there must be more support for early transition for people with gender dysmorphia. And I often find that doesn't exist among the same people arguing sport is at risk.

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    8. Katherine Trill  💙‏ @KittyTrill 16 Apr 2018
      Replying to @KittyTrill @4th_WaveNow @Scribberlings

      The whole debate is being treated as an either / or affair. Look I have proof of one person doing it wrong so they are all wrong. The world is more complex than that. But throwing in half quotes isn't going to win you support from people the other side of the debate.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 16 Apr 2018
      Replying to @KittyTrill @Scribberlings

      It's a lot more than "one person doing it wrong." Our article had several examples. Why do you only focus on Yearwood? And "winning support" from trans activists isn't the point. It's shining light on a reality that (like most aspects of ID politics gone rogue) is mostly ignored.

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        1. Katherine Trill  💙‏ @KittyTrill 16 Apr 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Scribberlings

          I focussed on it because it was the only direct quote by an opposing athlete. And it was misquoted.

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        1. Katherine Trill  💙‏ @KittyTrill 16 Apr 2018
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          As for you not wanting to win support from the trans activists, who else DO you need on your side of things are going to change? Why isn't gaining consensus on anyone's agenda in this debate?

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