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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Mar 2018

      What's amazing is this all seemed to happen under the radar, with no public input or notice until it's now too late. An Orwellian police state has grown over the last several years, to an extent no one would have dreamed of 10 years ago.

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    2. Lexie  🥀 🥑 🇪🇺 📚 🍫 🍺 🌧 🐇 🕷‏ @Lexiefem 21 Mar 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @HerbMajesty

      To me, a Scottish/Irish blend, sectarian language is quite clear, and this is aimed at Scots as it names Scottish prisons. Scotland has its own legal system, which is why English people won't have heard about it. Loads of people travel to football on the train, and lots of 1/2

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    3. Lexie  🥀 🥑 🇪🇺 📚 🍫 🍺 🌧 🐇 🕷‏ @Lexiefem 21 Mar 2018
      Replying to @Lexiefem @4th_WaveNow @HerbMajesty

      violence stems from the football...people have been killed for supporting the 'wrong' team so actually the threat of a 5 year prison sentence is fair. Nip the aggro in the bud so to say. You can't pin anti Catholic/Protestant speech as racist, so 'sectarian' it is 2/2

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    4. Cherry‏ @CherryAnnAustin 21 Mar 2018
      Replying to @Lexiefem @4th_WaveNow @HerbMajesty

      Thanks for this - I was thinking "WTF do they mean?" then realised it's Scottish. All the same, I thought Ireland & Glasgow would be the only places where "sectarian" is commonly understood. Are you Scots all at each other's throats now? 😰

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    5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Mar 2018
      Replying to @CherryAnnAustin @Lexiefem @HerbMajesty

      "language" is speech. It doesn't say, "don't incite violence." It says "sectarian" and "language." Whatever the excuse or rationale, it's an ominous sign to see in an ostensibly Western democracy.

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    6. Lexie  🥀 🥑 🇪🇺 📚 🍫 🍺 🌧 🐇 🕷‏ @Lexiefem 21 Mar 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @CherryAnnAustin @HerbMajesty

      there are certain words/phrases that are sectarian, and I won't repeat some of them here as they are offensive. That's why it says language. It's been passed down through generations, and it needs to be stamped out. Racist language is not tolerated, neither should sectarian.

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    7. Lexie  🥀 🥑 🇪🇺 📚 🍫 🍺 🌧 🐇 🕷‏ @Lexiefem 21 Mar 2018
      Replying to @Lexiefem @4th_WaveNow and

      You can't put a big list- bigging up the IRA/UDA, singing about the battle of the Boyne, 'Fenian' said in London would probably be interpreted differently to if it was said on a train of Rangers/Celtic supporters. It's complicated.

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    8. Cherry‏ @CherryAnnAustin 21 Mar 2018
      Replying to @Lexiefem @4th_WaveNow @HerbMajesty

      Americans don't have 1,000-year-old divisions that have been inculcated in every generation from birth. It's more like the Serb/Bosnian conflict & factional Muslim warfare than black/white in the US. Words and customs are triggers. (Americans are pretty dim about Irishness, too!)

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    9. Cherry‏ @CherryAnnAustin 21 Mar 2018
      Replying to @CherryAnnAustin @Lexiefem and

      Imagine two of the most powerful gangs in America gained control of the country and split it between them. You'd have constant low-level fighting with sporadic flare-ups, and there *would* be words, phrases, colours & customs that incited violence all by themselves.

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    10. Lexie  🥀 🥑 🇪🇺 📚 🍫 🍺 🌧 🐇 🕷‏ @Lexiefem 21 Mar 2018
      Replying to @CherryAnnAustin @4th_WaveNow @HerbMajesty

      ...or if the British had won the war of Independence...but the war was between the Native Americans and the British, and there were more Native Americans than British. And then the British and the Native Americans kept bombing/shooting each other, for centuries.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Mar 2018
      Replying to @Lexiefem @CherryAnnAustin @HerbMajesty

      Right, but it's the bombing and shooting that's the issue though, isn't it? Not the "language." Of course language can incite, but that sign "sectarian language" as a prosecutable offense is overbroad. But it's ok that we disagree on this point.

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        2. Lesbian Thought Criminal 🤐‏ @FightUnreality 21 Mar 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Lexiefem and

          "A law that can be directed against speech found offensive to some portion of the public can be turned against minority and dissenting views to the detriment of all." Kennedy, SCOTUS ruling on 'hate speech' 2017

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        3. Lesbian Thought Criminal 🤐‏ @FightUnreality 21 Mar 2018
          Replying to @FightUnreality @4th_WaveNow and

          Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.” Alito, SCOTUS 2017

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        1. Lexie  🥀 🥑 🇪🇺 📚 🍫 🍺 🌧 🐇 🕷‏ @Lexiefem 21 Mar 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @CherryAnnAustin @HerbMajesty

          It depends what side you are on. Could be the bombing and shooting. Could be your family being denied the opportunity to own a house; due to their religion/family hisotry, or have a job, or go to a decent school. But yes, it's ok to disagree as it is complex.

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