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    1. Morgane Oger, M.S.M. B.A.Sc.‏ @MorganeOgerBC 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @iforgetalready and

      Actually, thats wrong. This is a call for comment about WPATH standards in the Journal of Sexual Medicine for sexual medicine practitioners to respond to. It says blockers, sometimes Hormones, starts at or soon after puberty for some trans girls (XY).https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28325535 

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    2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @MorganeOgerBC @iforgetalready and

      What on earth are you talking about? The paper you linked discusses, in detail, under-18 vaginoplasties. Many passages are quoted in the blog post--and in this one. Read the sourced article (the one you linked) before presuming you know what's in it.https://4thwavenow.com/2017/04/03/the-money-is-flowing-to-suck-people-in-vaginoplasty-the-case-of-jazz-jennings/ …

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    3. Morgane Oger, M.S.M. B.A.Sc.‏ @MorganeOgerBC 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @iforgetalready and

      I apologize, I only see the abstract. I'll have to access the paper.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @MorganeOgerBC @iforgetalready and

      The US surgeons in the paper all responded anonymously about the rise in under-18 SRS. Some are alarmed.

      2 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    5. Morgane Oger, M.S.M. B.A.Sc.‏ @MorganeOgerBC 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @iforgetalready and

      I am not surprised some are alarmed, it goes against the standards of care.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Morgane Oger, M.S.M. B.A.Sc.‏ @MorganeOgerBC 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @MorganeOgerBC @4th_WaveNow and

      A problem with the current but decreasing level of anti-trans oppression is that any form of applying of brakes or self-regulation often looks like more oppression. From my side of the discussion, as you can imagine, it's hard to discern intent - especially from strident voices.

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    7. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @MorganeOgerBC @iforgetalready and

      To be perfectly blunt, many parents of gender dysphoric teens are disturbed that adult trans (some biological fathers) take such an interest in other ppl's kids & even advocate for irreversible treatments that also result in sterilization. The stridency has happened for a reason.

      2 replies 2 retweets 8 likes
    8. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @iforgetalready and

      If trans activists campaigned for fair treatment in housing and employment, left kids out of it, and didn't insist everyone agree they are LITERALLY the opposite sex (with full rights to everything women have fought for), there would likely not be such a huge backlash.

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    9. Morgane Oger, M.S.M. B.A.Sc.‏ @MorganeOgerBC 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @iforgetalready and

      The backlash comes from two key groups. 1. social conservatives who feel being transgender is a sin, and their moral panic teams who spread massive misinformation, 2. some 2nd wave feminists who fought so hard for body autonomy and deeply believe trans people encroach on gains.

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    10. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @MorganeOgerBC @iforgetalready and

      You forgot parents of kids caught up in a massive social contagion, which anyone with eyes can see. Instead of acknowledging that, trans activists tell us we're bigots, and double down on their "trans kid" narrative. Some transsexuals DO get it and are as horrified as we are.

      3 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Jan 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @iforgetalready and

      As far as 2nd wave feminists (some of us are both parents & 2nd wavers), trans activists are tone deaf to what it means when ANYONE can claim to be a woman & the impact on prisons, shelters, other places where women are vulnerable. Refusal to compromise only ensures more backlash

      6:25 PM - 11 Jan 2018
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        1. Morgane Oger, M.S.M. B.A.Sc.‏ @MorganeOgerBC 11 Jan 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @iforgetalready and

          I am not sure where you live. I live in Canada where this is all being resolved. I have done a great deal of advocacy on this and appreciate the conundrums but they are all solvable. From my side of the screen, I suspect you can imagine there is a different perspective of this.

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