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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 12 Dec 2017
      Replying to @dzongsar @Nosci_fi @DrDebraSoh

      Yes. And quest for the truth shouldn't be hampered by ideology of any kind.

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    2. Leya  🟥 🟪 ⬜️ 🟩‏ @_Leyanelle_ 12 Dec 2017
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @dzongsar and

      She has some kind of belief system at play there though, in the way she misrepresents the science. Even Fine's detractors acknowledge there's no conclusive scientific position that gender is innate.

      3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 12 Dec 2017
      Replying to @_Leyanelle_ @dzongsar and

      The science being questioned is whether levels of T (pre- &/or post-natal) has an impact on typical sex/gender norms. There is an ideological position that hormones have nil impact, and that's what Soh (and a lot of replicated research) challenges. It's not about "innateness."

      3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 12 Dec 2017
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @dzongsar and

      One can have a nuanced position that testosterone is powerful and has an effect, without saying T levels are determinative/nurture is irrelevant, OR that population averages say anything about an individual.

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    5. Leya  🟥 🟪 ⬜️ 🟩‏ @_Leyanelle_ 12 Dec 2017
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @dzongsar and

      But she says that gender is innate, and isn't a construct; this isn't a nuanced position.

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    6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 12 Dec 2017
      Replying to @_Leyanelle_ @dzongsar and

      It's not just Soh. Melissa Hines & colleagues have decades of replicated research on the impact of prenatal T on childhood play behaviors, as well as a new (n=5000) study showing gender-atypical play (irrespective of parental approval) is correlated with later homosexuality.

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    8. Magdalen’s Spirit Will Never Die‏ @Yandes1917 12 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Nosci_fi @4th_WaveNow and

      No it means stop transing gays.

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    10. Magdalen’s Spirit Will Never Die‏ @Yandes1917 12 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Nosci_fi @4th_WaveNow and

      Was referring to the studies on prenatal T, gnc play and sexual orientation.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 12 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Yandes1917 @JChotard and

      Hines and Li's study from earlier this year is so important in light of all the gender-atypical toddlers being lauded as "trans kids."

      10:08 AM - 12 Dec 2017
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        2. Leya  🟥 🟪 ⬜️ 🟩‏ @_Leyanelle_ 12 Dec 2017
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @JChotard and

          So what's your view re transgender then?

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 12 Dec 2017
          Replying to @_Leyanelle_ @JChotard and

          No matter the relative contribution of nature-nurture, or how atypical any individual is vis-a-vis population averages, people aren't "born in the wrong body." A brain in a female body is female (converse for male). Brain-body are one.

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