...criteria desisted. We definitely need more research to establish desistance rates. But the 67.2% are the best data we have currently for kids who are not treated with puberty blockers....
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Replying to @LisaLittman1 @jack_turban
Your statement “a large proportion of the kids in those studies didn’t even meet GID criteria” —isn’t a reason to discard the desistance studies because there has been an analysis that separates those who didn’t meet criteria from those who did.
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Replying to @LisaLittman1
There are multiple reasons to not to use the data in this way: (1) the DSM-IV vs DSM-5 issue I've now raised 3 times, (2) misinterpreting data about children to make conclusions about adolescents, (3) including children who didn't meet even DSM-IV criteria in the studies.
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Replying to @jack_turban @LisaLittman1
The first (the one you continue to ignore) is arguably the most important, and why I listed it first in my thread.
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I don’t agree that the reasons you list justify ignoring the desistance research that exists- especially given that there are no desistance studies yet using DSM V to refute or confirm those findings.
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Replying to @LisaLittman1
I didn't "ignore" the research, Dr. Littman. I analyzed it and pointed out the objective ways in which you are misinterpreting the data You are welcome to not "agree" with my opinions, but you are not welcome to ignore objective facts with the goal of confirming your own biases
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Dr. Turban, anyone paying attention is aware that there a growing number of post-adolescent desisters. Many have begun speaking publicly. Here is a recent interview conducted, incidentally, by a trans man. Perhaps you might consider your own biases?https://twitter.com/_Mars_F/status/1293971105766572032?s=20 …
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Can you provide a study that shows a large number of people who transition ultimately detransition?
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How many detransitioners or desisters would be enough to matter or be worth studying, in your view? Obviously, more study is needed, which is exactly what Dr. Littman plans to do.
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1/ It's not evidence-based to say, "look at this YouTube video of a detransitioner" and then base major medical policy on such an anecdote. The highest rate I've seen is a 5% detransition rate.
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There has been a very large increase in (in particular) girls/young women identifying as trans, and a concomitant rise in detransitioners. This has not been formally studied yet. No one knows how many there are or what their needs are. This is why we need more research.
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