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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 24 Apr 2020

      Birth control pills or shots are one option, but an IUD for tween AFABs seems to be a popular choice. One mom had her kid's put in at age 14.pic.twitter.com/UWYDmL12nO

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    2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 24 Apr 2020

      A depressive episode might result from BC pills, but there are other options. Tinkering with an 11-yr-old's endocrine system is no big deal in 2020. If your genderfluid middleschooler doesn't want to menstruate (how many want to?), maybe start w/an IUD, then move on to T shots.pic.twitter.com/MB4qKP7dwe

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    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 24 Apr 2020

      Note: Putting girls at start of menarche on BC pills has been widely normalized, even those who don't claim trans ID. Total avoidance of periods for convenience sake is a mass experiment. What will be the outcome physically & mentally? How much iatrogenic dysphoria will it cause?

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    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 24 Apr 2020

      From a link someone shared below. Turns out never ovulating could have pretty major health effects--including loss of spinal bone density and risk of cancer and heart disease. http://www.cemcor.ubc.ca/ pic.twitter.com/VUmb1MSBYq

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    5. Julia Mason MS MD‏ @JuliaMasonMD1 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow

      These are women who aren’t ovulating due to disease. These aren’t women who don’t ovulate because they’re taking OCPs. I don’t think you can extrapolate from this to saying that OCPs are dangerous.

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    6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @JuliaMasonMD1

      The excerpt from that site (screen cap) seems to indicate, though, that lack of ovulation over a lifetime is a risk factor. If a girl is put on BC pills at the onset of menarche and never ovulates therefore, do we know if that's safe longterm? That's the question.

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    7. Julia Mason MS MD‏ @JuliaMasonMD1 24 Apr 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow

      In the before times, women didn’t spend a lot of time regularly ovulating. They spent a lot of time pregnant.

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    8. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020
      Replying to @JuliaMasonMD1

      Right; point taken. But in order to get pregnant you have to ovulate at least once in a while. Nowadays, 11-yr-olds are told periods/ovulation are optional and can be stopped for life. That didn't happen in the "before times." How do we know this will be AOK, longterm?

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    9. Julia Mason MS MD‏ @JuliaMasonMD1 25 Apr 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow

      We don’t. I’m unaware of this situation you describe, I don’t know how prevalent it is. I will put a girl on OCPs if her periods are unmanageable, either causing anemia (rare) or illness that makes her miss school (still not common). We’ve been using them for over 50 years.

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    10. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020
      Replying to @JuliaMasonMD1

      Clearly some people need and benefit from OCPs, but that's different from doing it for convenience. One of our members said her daughter didn't want periods. When they went to the MD, he said "no one" has periods anymore unless they want them.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020
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      If you google "periods optional" scads of links show up claiming no one needs to have a period anymore, ever. Taking what's said at the link that started this convo into account, it seems it may be premature to assume that without more data. That's the only point I'm making.

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