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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

      As many of our followers know, a member of an "affirmative" parent Facebook group (8K+ members) has been sending us posts from the group for many months. Many of the parents have young children,12-18 month old toddlers to elementary school. We can now say with confidence: /1

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    2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

      Nearly all of these parents believe their children are in the wrong body because of their preferences for toys, hairstyles, activities, and clothing more typical of the opposite sex. "How we knew" posts are all about these "signs." /2

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    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

      There are lots of photographs: Trips to the barber, trucks, rough-and-tumble play (for the tiny trans boys); princess dresses, long hair, & LOTS of pink (for the tiny trans girls) abound. /3

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    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

      Not long ago, such signs of gender atypicality were seen as possible (though not certain) indicators that the child might grow up to be gay (particularly "effeminate" boys). That knowledge seems entirely lost now to this generation of parents. /4

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    5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

      Some of these parents initially were quite tolerant of their child's gender atypicality; they didn't rush to assume their child was "trans." These types of doubtful parents were often told by doctors (and later) gender therapists that their child was trans. /5

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

      Such parents, confused, join this FB group for support where they are quickly encouraged to believe their child is trans--*because* of those signs (toys, hair, activities, clothes). Peer pressure & the normalization of the idea that even a baby can be trans seals the deal. /6

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        2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

          Another, different type of parent was always intolerant of their child's gender-atypicality. They generally would not go along with the child's hair/toy choices--until one day, the child suddenly announces they are the opposite sex--& the parent relents. /7

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

          Whether the parent initially approved or disapproved of their toddler's gender atypicality, in this FB group, all roads lead to trans. Doubts or hints that a child might be "cis" are generally dismissed. /8

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        4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

          "Follow the child's lead" is the mantra, even when that "lead" may have been influenced by prior behavior of parents or other important adults in the child's life (such as pediatricians). /9

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        5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

          Trans activist dogma claims "gender expression" is separate from "gender identity." Activists insist that no one is accidentally or intentionally encouraging a gender-atypical child to be trans. Don't believe it. /10

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        6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

          Young kids are being set on the trans path (& make no mistake--even parents of toddlers anticipate hormones & surgeries) entirely because of their toy, hair, & clothing preferences. Parents with the best of intentions, egged on by doctors, therapists, & their parent peers. /11

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        7. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

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          Most of these parents take their child's announcement that they ARE the opposite sex as the final word. Watch the vids in this thread to see how primitive a young child's concept of sex/gender is (& how that concept changes later) & see if you agree. /12https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1163509170383020038 …

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          Developmental psychologists have known for a long time that young children have very concrete, literal, & sometimes incorrect notions about sex & gender. Now gender therapists tell us even toddlers have an innate gender ID, and they are never wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c49nWlZMq3Q&feature=youtu.be&list=PLd6suGdLIPWWnUIXHJYllSnnpWB7oeONx …
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        8. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

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          Here's another oldie but a goodie, from 2006. Can you imagine this 60 Minutes episode being made today? (Features @profjmb and work from his lab at the time) /13https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1147329770729947142 …

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          2/ This 60 Minutes episode from 2006 would never be made today; the twin brother who preferred toys and clothes more typical of girls would have been identified as "in the wrong body" instead of maybe pre-gay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5vrNYA_nik&feature=youtu.be …
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        9. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 25 Apr 2020

          Now check this one out. "External appearances are so important at this stage!" The same stage when many affirmative gender therapists are counseling parents to "follow the child's lead." What could go wrong? /14https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BFDgO_y9cc&list=PLd6suGdLIPWWnUIXHJYllSnnpWB7oeONx&index=29 …

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        10. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          Some readers here have reacted with surprise that parents could believe they have trans toddlers. When the most famous US gender therapist confidently talks about "preverbal gender messages," what would we expect? /15https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7kqndw 

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        11. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          What really stands out in this FB group: No one asks WHY little Jimmy or Judy would announce "I'm a BOY [or girl] Mommy!!!" It's always the Magic Moment, met with heart emojis & praise from the other moms: a sacred revelation that only the wise child is qualified to know. /16

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        12. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          "They know who they are," the parents coo. "Just follow their lead." Never: "Could it be possible Jimmy thinks he's [sic] a boy because he wants short hair?" Never: "Might Judy think she's [sic] a girl because you wouldn't let her have that Barbie?" /17

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        13. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          These are heresies not to be spoken. On the occasion someone starts to wander into apostate land, there are quick slapdowns--"Only THEY know their gender," or "they're never too young ." If questioning persists, suspicion arises that there's been a TERF invasion. /18

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        14. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          It's not hyperbole to compare this group to a religious sect, where the youngest of children are wise beyond their years...where that first haircut of pink costume is treated like a sacred rite amongst the joyous celebrants. /19

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        15. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          Social transition doesn't entail the agonizing complexities of med transition that parents of teens/older kids post about. For awhile it really is unicorns & rainbows (& pronouns)--apart from the (frequent) dismay of grandparents & others on hearing a 3-yr-old is now trans /20

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        16. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          No one--NO ONE--has proven that "gender identity" is an innate, inborn human trait. Yet the parents in this group quite obviously and fervently believe it is. Why wouldn't they, when every institution in society (as well as many MDs and therapists) assert that it is? /21

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        17. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          Even those who claim to have "gender fluid, genderqueer, nonbinary," etc offspring never raise the obvious question: If my child is "fluid" (and may have even changed their "identity" one or more times), how is "gender" something stable requiring irreversible medicalization? /22

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        18. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          For this lack of critical thinking, we can again thank the leading lights in this Age of the Trans Child. Medicalization of "nonbinary/fluid/queer" patients has been entirely normalized--buttressed, always, with the threat of suicide as the only alternative. A few examples: /23

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        19. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          Olson-Kennedy of LA Children's Hospital spoke with relish (audio clips within) at a USPATH conference re: treating "nonbinary" patients: Tinkering with hormones & surgeries, sculpting a young body to meet almost any identity demand, however transient. /24https://4thwavenow.com/2017/08/04/no-menses-no-mustache-gender-doctor-touts-nonbinary-hormones-surgery-for-self-sacrificing-youth/ …

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        20. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          Ehrensaft, of barrettes & onesies fame, speaks with reverence about the kids requesting "just a touch of testosterone". It's the children who are leading us now. Those Facebook moms, for their part, are only "following the lead" of experts like these. /25 http://archive.is/uQK60 pic.twitter.com/LvEOCZ4S2u

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        21. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          Of course, hormonal/surgical tinkering is even more frequent amongst adult patients, who clearly have the right to make medical decisions. But what would compel a woman to think that removing one of her two ovaries would somehow validate her existence? /26https://4thwavenow.com/2017/07/30/nonbinary-patient-sues-utah-md-who-removed-both-ovaries/ …

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        22. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

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          Back to the affirmative parent FB group, there are massive numbers of posts by parents of "fluid" or "nonbinary" kids. A few examples here. /27https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1109135524948779008 …

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          1. LONG THREAD: Testosterone for nonbinary 13-year-olds, in the latest batch of leaked posts from the affirmative parent group. In several threads, multiple mothers appear to claim that Dr. Olson-Kennedy is prescribing T to middle schoolers, in some cases without blockers first.
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        23. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

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          This thread highlights the doctrine of "follow their lead." Note in this tweet the parent claims her child showed "signs" of being trans at age 1. ALL of this is because of affirmative "experts." These parents didn't make this up out of whole cloth. /28https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1105879287951998979 …

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          3. If there's one message consistently expressed in this FB group, it's "follow your child's lead"--no matter how many times they change their mind (they might be "nonbinary"), and no matter how young the child. pic.twitter.com/e1jkaPasyv
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        24. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          10 yrs ago, there weren't 1000s of parents insisting their young kids were somehow deposited in the wrong bodies. The parents are a direct result of "affirmative" clinicians who only appeared recently. In turn, these clinicians are a direct result of extreme trans activism. /29

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        25. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          Before the Age of the Trans Child, kids with dysphoria were a rare group, treated by careful clinicians who realized desistance would be a better outcome, if only to minimize the number of ppl who would want to undergo drastic surgeries & become permanent medical patients. /30

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        26. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

          Now desistance is a dirty word, and caring clinicians (who DID approve medical transition for those who really needed it) have been hounded & demonized--some even losing their jobs. /31

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        27. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 26 Apr 2020

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          Fortunately, there are still such clinicians among us. One of them is Alexander Korte of Germany. If you haven't seen the interview with him from last year, it's essential. /32https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1195403266726776832 …

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          Korte goes on to say children tend to be impulsive ("hasty") & he does not believe they are capable of understanding the decision to block puberty "which has lifelong consequences" and is not a harmless intervention. pic.twitter.com/7lRyKPdgW3
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