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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @WomensLibFront @Muttmere1

      Whoever runs your FB account dredged up a screenshot of a tweet by @BJontry from **6 months ago** as some sort of "gotcha." But as always, it's ad hominem attacks instead of engaging the substance of what she was talking about. https://www.facebook.com/640917462669449/posts/2919060291521810/ …

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    2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @WomensLibFront @Muttmere1

      Also noted is your chairwoman libeling @BJontry & 4thWaveNow behind a locked account, making ridiculous allegations and doing exactly what you falsely accuse us of: Character assassination and attempts to destroy our reputation.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @WomensLibFront @Muttmere1

      Throughout, you & your surrogates steadfastly refuse to engage the simple point we've made openly and without malice: The wisdom of inviting certain individuals and organizations to write front matter for the parent guide. Your "with us or agin us" vendetta against us is foolish.

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    4. WoLF‏ @WomensLibFront 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Muttmere1

      You had a chance to privately review the guide and express concerns. You said nothing negative about it. When you didn’t endorse, we said nothing negative about you. But when it was released, you joined in a chorus of accusing people of homophobia by association.

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    5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @WomensLibFront @Muttmere1

      Untrue. We were not asked to review the guide, nor knew nothing about the paragraphs that were solicited from Hibbs et al, something we suspect you also know. Brie saw a draft over a year ago, and she begged EZ not to release it under the auspices of FRC. To no avail.

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    6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @WomensLibFront @Muttmere1

      We didn't accuse anyone of "homophobia by association." We asked repeatedly why ppl like Hibbs, Johnston, & Sprigg were invited to write front matter, when so many young people who identify as trans are struggling with their sexual orientation. It was very straightforward.

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    7. WoLF‏ @WomensLibFront 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Muttmere1

      You just “asked,” hmm? Do you have any objection to the actual contents? You know that the constant questions serve as a standing accusation that anyone who won’t shun those people might as well have endorsed their every past statement.

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    8. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @WomensLibFront @Muttmere1

      The contents don't explore sexual orientation struggles but if those paragraphs (which were solicited--they didn't just appear magically) hadn't been there, it would have made the guide more broadly accessible, the point Brie made that you decided to drag up again on FB last week

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    9. WoLF‏ @WomensLibFront 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Muttmere1

      That sounds very nuanced and reasonable, in its way, though your interpretation of broadly accessible seems to mean ‘agrees with me.’ Also, she compared being associated with the guide to being associated with David D*ke, just like the TRAs. Which was the point.

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    10. WoLF‏ @WomensLibFront 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @WomensLibFront @4th_WaveNow @Muttmere1

      How “broadly accessible” is your version of parent support when parents who don’t share your opinions about Christian conservatives know that your spokesperson might compare them to a white supremacist if they step out of line?

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Apr 2020
      Replying to @WomensLibFront @Muttmere1

      Show evidence that Brie compared any parent to a white supremacist, or in any way indicated they shouldn't "step out of line". You do realize you are excoriating a woman for **expressing opinions on Twitter** don't you?

      4:28 PM - 21 Apr 2020
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        2. WoLF‏ @WomensLibFront 21 Apr 2020
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Muttmere1

          This whole discussion started about her tweet comparing being associated with the guide to working with an infamous white supremacist. When you throw accusations like that around carelessly, you should take responsibility, not pretend you don’t know why people are bothered.

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 21 Apr 2020
          Replying to @WomensLibFront @Muttmere1

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          No. The tweet said asking someone like Hibbs to write front matter would be like asking David Duke to write an intro for a book on raising Jewish children. Let's be accurate. Hibbs is not just any "Christian conservative." Her point is well taken. https://twitter.com/BJontry/status/1185967507460374528 …

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