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    1. helena‏ @lacroicsz 11 Feb 2020

      So, until recently, I had really mixed feelings about “working with the right” when fighting for protections for gender dysphoric people, but now I have a few considerations to share with those who support efforts by/done with members of the socially conservative right

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    2. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
      Replying to @lacroicsz

      Helena, as always, very thoughtful. SD Legislature shouldn't have led with criminal penalties. But it initiated a key dialogue. Why this has become an issue of "conservative" vs Liberal and not child safety is beyond me. But it has and now we all have to figure what to do./1

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    3. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
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      As a democrat, I find myself very torn. Yet I do see that the liberals politicians have sacrificed the safety of young people to agenda they feel will rescue the party. Is it out of ignorance, or willful ignorance? I don't know, but I also don't know how we get through /2

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    4. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
      Replying to @ZaneEmma @lacroicsz

      The same goes for scientific journals. JAMA and Pediatrics publish dangerously misleading publications by activist clinicians. And suppress any other researchers who point out the problems. Only Catholic pubs can afford to publish descent. /3https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0024363919884799 …

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    5. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
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      Having had the pleasure of interacting with a number of those in the UK, THEY do have hope. Even though initially trans aligned in similar ways (conservative vs liberal), the liberal side is waking up; BMJ is also very balanced. But the US is getting more and more polarized./4

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    6. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
      Replying to @ZaneEmma @lacroicsz

      So yes, your points are well taken. And yet I don't see a path where we succeed by not engaging with socially conservative people -bc liberals don't see it (until it affects their own child). May be one approach is to engage & move socially conserv. ppl on those gay & GNC issues?

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    7. helena‏ @lacroicsz 11 Feb 2020
      Replying to @ZaneEmma

      Ironically, I don’t see a path where we succeed by continuing to partner with socially conservative groups. I get the “all is fair in love and war” kind of attitude, but I think it makes the polarization WORSE. This issue is one that has the potential I think to transcend

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    8. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Feb 2020
      Replying to @lacroicsz @ZaneEmma

      ...and it makes it harder for more moderate voices to be heard over the outrage.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Feb 2020
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      It's not up to people like Helena to convince orgs like FRC to stop promoting this kind of thing. It's up to the people who partner with them.pic.twitter.com/vMkE2OxtO7

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        2. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @lacroicsz

          This is terrible. Full disclosure I have not been following the SD and other states' situation. To me it's more of a philosophical debate. I have talked to LGB people who don't feel quite as adamant about this and feel it was an important step. Glad we that we talk not block:)

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        3. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
          Replying to @ZaneEmma @4th_WaveNow @lacroicsz

          I am going to go away for a bit and focus on paying work but I wanted to leave us with this quote by F. Scott Fitzgerald. "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas at the same time, and retain the ability to function."pic.twitter.com/U8EfMJXFqi

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