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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Feb 2020

      In a time when you're called an ignorant bigot if you discuss the pros & cons of pediatric transition, it's crucial to be accurate in your claims. Example: Some say puberty blockers sterilize kids. No, they do not. Blockers followed directly by cross-sex hormones sterilize.

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    2. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow

      Even if PBs are followed by cross-sex hormones (CSH), which are later stopped, fertility may return (so it's not technically sterility). On the other hand, we DK if fertility is retained even if PBs are NOT followed by CSH (some can't conceive as adults). It's a live experiment.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Feb 2020
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      When kids are blocked at Tanner 2, then go on to cross sex hormones, all experts say they are permanently infertile because gametes did not develop. Am not aware of anyone saying otherwise. Also, kids on GnRH agonists just for precocious puberty are not sterilized.

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        2. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          Sterility is likely but not for certain. I recall gametes could potentially develop later if CSH are stopped; and additional drugs (hormones) can be given to stimulate. We just DK what we are doing when messing with normally timed puberty for fertility, bone, brain. @will_malone

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        3. blueboatmom‏ @blueboatmom 11 Feb 2020
          Replying to @ZaneEmma @4th_WaveNow @will_malone

          If gametes do develop, whether naturally or with additional hormones, won't that allow the dreaded secondary sex characteristics that blockers were given to prevent, to also emerge? Like wouldn't it defeat the purpose of using blockers? (Don't tell me it's a "pause button".)

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        2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 11 Feb 2020
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          UCSF Center for Trans Health: "For youth whose pubertal process has been suspended in the earliest stages, followed by administration of gender-affirming hormones, development of mature sperm or eggs is unlikely at the present time." https://transcare.ucsf.edu/guidelines/youth …

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        3. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          I agree unlikely, but sterility is not guaranteed. Additionl drugs exist to stimulate the development. There is risk of overstating in everything. Sometimes the most important thing to say is,"we don't know, and nobody is studying it. We are conducting a live experiment on kids."

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        2. EZ‏ @ZaneEmma 11 Feb 2020
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          We should let endocrinologists @will_malone @MLaidlawMD weigh in. I think the most accuerate answer is "we don't know" and "risks are significant."I interacted with a women on Twitter who was on GnRH for CPP and is unable to have kids. It's a live experiment with no regulation.

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        3. justdad7‏ @justdad7 11 Feb 2020
          Replying to @ZaneEmma @4th_WaveNow @will_malone

          I would like to know if there are any follow up studies that confirm that people who take puberty blockers either for precocious puberty or gender dysphoria have become fertile adults.

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