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    1. Rory ( 🦄 💩 🐍)‏ @rorybowman 2 Feb 2020

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      In the absence of intelligent discussion, is a moratorium better than a free-for-all? In the cases of pediatric transition, I tend to think so, but adults should be fully entitled to sterilize or kill themselves. Why SHOULDN'T "gender clinics" get rich on self-destruction? https://t.co/aoFGJDMpxd 

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    3. Rory ( 🦄 💩 🐍)‏ @rorybowman 2 Feb 2020

      My hope is that a moratorium will force a serious patient case to be made, particularly in the case of minors. In the absence of such a case, the state of care ten years ago may have to do.

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    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Feb 2020
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      What sort of moratorium do you envision in the US at this point? Even if a few socially conservative state legislatures pass bills banning peds transition, how will they not be viewed (and treated) the same way as states which have nearly banned abortion?https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1222917513014472704 …

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      You're preaching to the converted. The issue is how to preach to the UNCONVERTED. Changing hearts and minds wasn't done by social conservatives when it came to gay marriage. It's mystifying so many people fervently believe the very same politicians will do it for child transition
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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Feb 2020
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      The multiple state bills aim to throw doctors in jail. This has provided a mass of clickbait, headlines screaming. Activist parents of trans kids are mobilizing, their kids by their sides, and "suicide or transition" is everywhere as the deep pockets start erupting with cash.

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        2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Feb 2020
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @rorybowman

          Imagine (for example) if the bills instead tried to codify into law a longer period before a teen could medically transition, or some other goal which would seem reasonable to nearly everyone. Demand state reps for AMA or AAP work to revise their affirmation-only guidelines

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        3. Rory ( 🦄 💩 🐍)‏ @rorybowman 2 Feb 2020
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          Hasn't the WPATH madness shown that "recommendations" can be created and promoted for medical advantage, though? At this point I have more hope for legislators to stop this conflation madness than the AMA or AAP, which seem easily captured by zealots with "working groups."

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        2. Rory ( 🦄 💩 🐍)‏ @rorybowman 2 Feb 2020
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          That is an excellent point, and fines toward loss of licensure would probably have been a better penalty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright-line_rule … I see no good way forward which does not involve the creation of explicit, legal distinction between physical sex and "gender identity" feelz.

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Feb 2020
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          Major medical orgs--AMA, AAP, etc--published guidelines are full-on affirmative care. Most citizens think these are respectable organizations, & WPATH SOC 8 will soon be the same. Threatening to jail MDs who merely follow those guidelines isn't going to resonate with most people.

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