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    2. Dr. James Cantor‏ @JamesCantorPhD 16 Nov 2019

      No one is more critical about the extremism from trans activists than I, but I don't think this is an accurate assessment either. There's good reason to highlight the emotional/political motivations of activists, but I honestly don't see much of a financial one from providers.

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    3. HH‏ @givethemseeds 16 Nov 2019
      Replying to @JamesCantorPhD

      It's an industry... Booming field of academic research... Many medical specialties are writing papers, "How we can get in on trans"... Endless new rules to write, meetings, trainings, workshops... Community-based organizations ad nauseam... On top of top surgery, $8k, 3x/day...

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    4. Dr. James Cantor‏ @JamesCantorPhD 16 Nov 2019
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      Please give any objective measure that would justify any of "booming, "many," or "endless." For emphasis: I am not saying people are not engaged for bad reasons. I simply see no evidence for money being a motivator.

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    6. Dr. James Cantor‏ @JamesCantorPhD 16 Nov 2019
      Replying to @MindfullMoms @givethemseeds

      I do not contest there is a boom in referrals. I am contesting that money among health care providers is what is motivating the boom. I believe the motivator is (largely) attention seeking. Efforts spent challenging a financial motivation that doesn't exist is effort wasted.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 16 Nov 2019
      Replying to @JamesCantorPhD @MindfullMoms @givethemseeds

      The concept of "pathological altruism" could also apply, a form of confirmation bias. No doubt clinicians involved in pediatric transition really believe they are doing the right thing for their patients. It's more complex than simply seeking a payout. https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/110/Supplement_2/10408.full.pdf …

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        1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 16 Nov 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @JamesCantorPhD and

          Jonathan Haidt, from his 2012 book "The Righteous Mind": "Morality binds and blinds.”

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        2. Julia Mason MS MD‏ @JuliaMasonMD1 16 Nov 2019
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          The gender doctors that I have talked to see themselves as the heroes of the story. They truly believe that they are delivering life saving care.

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        3. Dr. James Cantor‏ @JamesCantorPhD 17 Nov 2019
          Replying to @JuliaMasonMD1 @4th_WaveNow and

          Yes, that is consistent with much language I hear from them.

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        2. Dr. James Cantor‏ @JamesCantorPhD 17 Nov 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @MindfullMoms @givethemseeds

          Yes, that makes complete sense to me.

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        3. DL Jones‏ @The_DLJones 17 Nov 2019
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          There's a whole body of research in judgment and decision making that illustrates this (and more). People sincerely believe they are impartial and impervious to all sorts of forces which exert powerful effects in their judgment and behavior.

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