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    1. Sleepy Dyslexic  🇸🇪 ❤️ 💜 💙 🏳️‍🌈 ♿‏ @Jonatan_TheDick 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Jonatan_TheDick @A_Sane_Skeptic and

      the point is, rogd isnt the observed phenomenon here, its the parents reporting their kids have rogd that is observed.

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    2. Brian Edward‏ @A_Sane_Skeptic 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Jonatan_TheDick @sjwdebates @econbrkfst

      I not sure I understand ... You’re saying that the kids in the Littman study insist they are cis ?

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    3. Jangles ScienceLad‏ @sjwdebates 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @A_Sane_Skeptic @Jonatan_TheDick @econbrkfst

      No, it's that the phenomenon isn't ROGD, it's *parental perception* of ROGD

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    4. Brian Edward‏ @A_Sane_Skeptic 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @sjwdebates @Jonatan_TheDick @econbrkfst

      You are applying your own bias of what you think ROGD means here. ROGD is meant to differentiate between 2 populations. Those getting GD pre-puberty and those who have seemingly no history of pre-puberty GD and manifesting post puberty.

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    5. Jangles ScienceLad‏ @sjwdebates 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @A_Sane_Skeptic @Jonatan_TheDick @econbrkfst

      Were the subjects of the study the kids or their parents?

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    6. Brian Edward‏ @A_Sane_Skeptic 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @sjwdebates @Jonatan_TheDick @econbrkfst

      It’s parents perceptions of this ... could some have missed markers of trans in their kids early years ? Sure. ALL of them though ? Beggars belief. ROGD was never been observed 15 years ago. It seems an entirely new phenomena

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    7. Sleepy Dyslexic  🇸🇪 ❤️ 💜 💙 🏳️‍🌈 ♿‏ @Jonatan_TheDick 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @A_Sane_Skeptic @sjwdebates @econbrkfst

      Kids hide things well when they think their parents won't accept them. I know grown ass people who are on hrt whos family still don't know. It's something that is ignored, dismissed or not noticed for many reasons. I had to come out as bi 3 times before my mom realized I was bi.

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    8. Brian Edward‏ @A_Sane_Skeptic 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Jonatan_TheDick @sjwdebates @econbrkfst

      They are trying to shed light on this — if some trans ID’d kids are caused by social contagion. Not ALL. SOME. If true, The kids claims here are less valid than the parents actually. Would an aneorixic kid deny an eating disorder ? Yes probably. Doesn’t make it bad science.

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    9. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 9 Nov 2019
      Replying to @A_Sane_Skeptic @Jonatan_TheDick and

      Brian, thank you for your reasoned voice on this. You may find this interesting, by @PsychRabble . The hysteria around Littman's study, and the concerted effort to discredit it (when she herself called for more study on the matter) is so unnecessary.https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/rabble-rouser/201903/rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria …

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    10. Jangles ScienceLad‏ @sjwdebates 9 Nov 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @A_Sane_Skeptic and

      Do you think my video was "hysteria"?

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 9 Nov 2019
      Replying to @sjwdebates @A_Sane_Skeptic and

      Yes & no. Even yr promoting tweet claims Littman's aim was "stoke fear in the public" & the vid descriptor says "hurts trans kids." You accuse her of "scientific illiteracy." None of that is accurate. You assume bad faith in an initial descriptive effort, as @A_Sane_Skeptic said.

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        2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 9 Nov 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @sjwdebates and

          You (think it was you) also tweeted that she deliberately left out survey responses from parents who DIDN'T observe rapid onset, but the study was specifically ABOUT that population. It wasn't meant to be a comparison study with other gender dysphoria presentations.

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 9 Nov 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @sjwdebates and

          And I'm just going to post this again for good measure. It's reasonable, seems to address the fears some have about the study, while also explaining why the pile-on to Littman's work has mostly been misguided--and harmful to scientific inquiry.https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/rabble-rouser/201903/rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria …

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        2. Jangles ScienceLad‏ @sjwdebates 9 Nov 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @A_Sane_Skeptic and

          I'm busy this weekend, but would you be interested in a discussion in the near future?

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 9 Nov 2019
          Replying to @sjwdebates @A_Sane_Skeptic and

          Possibly. Tag in again when you're ready.

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