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    1. Brian Edward‏ @A_Sane_Skeptic 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Jonatan_TheDick @sjwdebates @econbrkfst

      I not sure I understand ... You’re saying that the kids in the Littman study insist they are cis ?

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    2. Jangles ScienceLad‏ @sjwdebates 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @A_Sane_Skeptic @Jonatan_TheDick @econbrkfst

      No, it's that the phenomenon isn't ROGD, it's *parental perception* of ROGD

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    3. Brian Edward‏ @A_Sane_Skeptic 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @sjwdebates @Jonatan_TheDick @econbrkfst

      You are applying your own bias of what you think ROGD means here. ROGD is meant to differentiate between 2 populations. Those getting GD pre-puberty and those who have seemingly no history of pre-puberty GD and manifesting post puberty.

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    4. Jangles ScienceLad‏ @sjwdebates 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @A_Sane_Skeptic @Jonatan_TheDick @econbrkfst

      Were the subjects of the study the kids or their parents?

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    5. Brian Edward‏ @A_Sane_Skeptic 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @sjwdebates @Jonatan_TheDick @econbrkfst

      It’s parents perceptions of this ... could some have missed markers of trans in their kids early years ? Sure. ALL of them though ? Beggars belief. ROGD was never been observed 15 years ago. It seems an entirely new phenomena

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    6. Sleepy Dyslexic  🇸🇪 ❤️ 💜 💙 🏳️‍🌈 ♿‏ @Jonatan_TheDick 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @A_Sane_Skeptic @sjwdebates @econbrkfst

      Kids hide things well when they think their parents won't accept them. I know grown ass people who are on hrt whos family still don't know. It's something that is ignored, dismissed or not noticed for many reasons. I had to come out as bi 3 times before my mom realized I was bi.

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    7. Brian Edward‏ @A_Sane_Skeptic 8 Nov 2019
      Replying to @Jonatan_TheDick @sjwdebates @econbrkfst

      They are trying to shed light on this — if some trans ID’d kids are caused by social contagion. Not ALL. SOME. If true, The kids claims here are less valid than the parents actually. Would an aneorixic kid deny an eating disorder ? Yes probably. Doesn’t make it bad science.

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    8. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 9 Nov 2019
      Replying to @A_Sane_Skeptic @Jonatan_TheDick and

      Brian, thank you for your reasoned voice on this. You may find this interesting, by @PsychRabble . The hysteria around Littman's study, and the concerted effort to discredit it (when she herself called for more study on the matter) is so unnecessary.https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/rabble-rouser/201903/rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria …

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    10. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 9 Nov 2019
      Replying to @econbrkfst_old @econbrkfst and

      You've been more reasonable @econbrkfst . But in general, there's been an effort to tear down what Littman HERSELF characterized as preliminary vs. realizing there might be some truth in her work. Agree w/you that certain players have created hysteria in the opposite direction.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 9 Nov 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @econbrkfst and

      Most critics get stuck on "It's just parents! " It's ironic coz Littman agrees "just parents" aren't enough, but it's disingenuous to pretend none of the new crop of detransitioners fit her description. Just because SOME parents might be wrong doesn't mean they all were.

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        2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 9 Nov 2019
          Replying to @econbrkfst_old @econbrkfst and

          Right now you're talking to 4thWaveNow founder. My daughter happens to have fit the "ROGD" profile by her own measure. We don't know much about this population. We need to know more. It's in EVERYone's interest (trans or not) to avoid "false positives."https://thevelvetchronicle.com/path-of-desistance-childhood-interrupted/ …

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