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    1. Kaeley Triller‏ @KaeleyT 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @briejnm

      Relationship is a two way street. If the options are “Play make believe, force yourself to lie, and embrace my delusion, or I’ll have nothing to do with you,” that’s not a relationship. It’s a dictatorship. Sometimes the most selfless act of love is to refuse to enable this.

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    2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @KaeleyT

      Except what you have in quotes isn't remotely what Brie said. She commented on a tweet which said young ppl who had undergone medical transition were "harmed beyond repair" and would "never come back to us whole." You and others had the option of ignoring that tweet. Instead,

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    3. Clearly Claire #istandwithkeirabell  🐘‏ @ClearlyClaire2 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @KaeleyT

      Brie may not have said that. But very often kids say those exact words to their parents. Is that relationship? This is a very real problem.

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    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Oct 2019
      Replying to @ClearlyClaire2 @KaeleyT

      That's emotional blackmail and no, it's not a relationship. There's a vast landscape of middle ground between caving to those demands & sending the message that a kid is "damaged beyond repair." Nuance matters.

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    5. Clearly Claire #istandwithkeirabell  🐘‏ @ClearlyClaire2 19 Oct 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @KaeleyT

      But you do realize that nuance doesn’t always speak much to kids. A lot of the time it’s black and white, you’re either on board and a friend or you’re not, and the enemy.

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    7. Clearly Claire #istandwithkeirabell  🐘‏ @ClearlyClaire2 19 Oct 2019
      Replying to @briejnm @4th_WaveNow @KaeleyT

      Connection does take two people. I know this from hard painful experience. I have never told my daughter anything except that I love her and want her in my life, as deeply as I am opposed to this. And yet I am blocked out. It’s not always possible.

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    8. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Oct 2019
      Replying to @ClearlyClaire2 @KaeleyT

      Yes. Sometimes best efforts fail.

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    9. Clearly Claire #istandwithkeirabell  🐘‏ @ClearlyClaire2 19 Oct 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @KaeleyT

      Yes. Sometimes they do. And some of our kids actually have been harmed in ways that are irretrievably damaging. Sterility is forever. So when we say our kids are damaged, it’s the truth. There’s no nuance to sterility.

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    10. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Oct 2019
      Replying to @ClearlyClaire2 @KaeleyT

      This is truth. But having now met & worked personally w/several detransitioners, as well as trans ppl who support the cause of slowing down or even stopping youth transition, the msg that ppl are damaged beyond repair isn't the whole truth. There IS life after transition.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Oct 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @ClearlyClaire2 @KaeleyT

      The crux of the issue, especially when talking about and with legal adults (for better or worse--we KNOW 18-yr-olds aren't all grown up), is that they may not agree with your assertion that they are damaged. Then what? It's not a simple issue, & to insist it is also lacks nuance.

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        2. Clearly Claire #istandwithkeirabell  🐘‏ @ClearlyClaire2 19 Oct 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @KaeleyT

          I wouldn’t recommend telling them that they are damaged. Of course we must leave a path. The path is all there is. But the damage is so so real. The world is headed down this headlong rush to turn toddlers into trans. Our kids ARE getting hurt. Who will speak then?

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        2. Clearly Claire #istandwithkeirabell  🐘‏ @ClearlyClaire2 19 Oct 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @KaeleyT

          The crux of the issue also is that their sense of who they are is incredibly fragile. It’s sometimes impossible for them to stay in relationship with anyone who isn’t a cheerleader. That’s not our fault.

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Oct 2019
          Replying to @ClearlyClaire2 @KaeleyT

          It's not about fault. It's about trying to navigate an impossible situation for everyone.

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