You're the one who took issue with it. And, I really don't have a problem with the original tweet that inclined Brie, after being "done w/all this gender stuff," to make a huge thread castigating an organization doing some really fine work. Talk about being unproductive. hmmmmm
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Why the hmmmmm? Just disagree. Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE Brie (or 4thWaveNow) get money from pharma?? You don't like what she said (and/or how she said it), or that she to criticized a tweet from an org. Fair enough. (And enough.)
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No, I don't believe 4th wave now or Brie are getting $ from pharma. One mother lashed outbw/that becuz she was starting to sound like a pro trans episode of Oprah. The mom used the hashtag for my article. She was rightfully incensed & clarified that afterward. It was one tweet
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NO ONE is creating a conspiracy out of this. You have both done incredible work which is y this is hitting ppl badly. Brie has had a wild turn here....singing a completely opposite tune than she's been & castigating another great group publickly while asking for amiability
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One week she's fiercely against "transitioning" of children, understands & speaks abt the harms - very eloquently, I might add. It is a strength. Suddenly it's sometimes ok if kids r victims of this cult, if they're "of age?" And parents should just embrace their kids choices?
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1. Not going to speak for Brie, but my take: When one is talking to or about legal adults--*particularly* when those over-18s vociferously disagree w/you--it's a different kettle of fish. Doesn't mean one shouldn't criticize the transition industry or advocate against harms, but
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2. Even when you believe someone who is now legally adult has been gravely harmed, it’s not intrinsically an attack on parents or a lack of empathy to debate when and how it’s effective or desirable to publicly air some grievances. Disagreement does not equal betrayal.
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3. Speaking as a parent whose legally adult child (though she desisted) publicly criticized some of the things I did during the time she was trans-identified in front of 1000s of ppl on YouTube, I think it’s important to be able to tolerate debate & constructive criticism.
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Public debate & criticism of other groups doing vital work, & of parents in one of the worst times of their lives is ok - publicly & should be tolerated w/equanimity. But public displays of grief by same parents are not ok? So not ok that it needs a long condescending thread?
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It's not about whether it's "ok"--it's just about people expressing different opinions and assuming honorable (vs nefarious) intentions all around. What should be "ok" is for us to disagree. We can tolerate each other, yes? Cheers.
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A final thought: We all know extremist trans activists have made desistance a dirty word, when in a sane world, avoiding a life as a permanent medical patient is a preferable outcome. But how to talk with, for, & about those who persist (or have not yet desisted)? No easy answers
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While perhaps not easy, I would argue that treatment is not subjective (see followup tweet) and that there are objective harms in medical transition that would fail the dictum "do no harm"
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A significant turn was made in study/treatment after Kuiper & cohen-Kettenis 1988. "In our opinion an evaluation of SRS can be made only on the basis of subjective data, because SRS is intendedto solve a problem that cannot be determined objectively... 1/2
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