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    1. Jennifer Bilek‏ @bjportraits 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @CrystalSpace68 @pauldirks

      Because that "opinion" was wrapped in a whole lot of gross condescension aimed directly at people who are suffering the most - the parents watching their kids being swallowed whole by a cult. That "care" dripping in condescension is what makes her a turn-coat. Very disingenuous!

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    2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @bjportraits @CrystalSpace68 @pauldirks

      Saying you find her to be condescending is very different from accusing her of being a "turncoat" (was a loyalty oath signed?) "Disingenuous" means "dishonest." Brie seemed to be sharing her honest opinion. You (& others) may disagree, but demonizing really does burn bridges.

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    3. Jennifer Bilek‏ @bjportraits 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @CrystalSpace68 @pauldirks

      Had she been grossly condescending to ppl she didn't know, she would only be condescending. Since she is being condescending to women who are standing where she once was, allies, is what makes her a turncoat, imo. Take it or leave it. You are not obliged to like it or accept it

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    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @bjportraits @CrystalSpace68 @pauldirks

      And you aren't obliged to like or accept that not everyone agrees with your assessment of the situation. Maybe engage with her about why you believe her condescension is an issue. Might be more productive than the "turncoat" approach. You could also try to get her point.

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    5. Jennifer Bilek‏ @bjportraits 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @CrystalSpace68 @pauldirks

      You're the one who took issue with it. And, I really don't have a problem with the original tweet that inclined Brie, after being "done w/all this gender stuff," to make a huge thread castigating an organization doing some really fine work. Talk about being unproductive. hmmmmm

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    6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Oct 2019
      Replying to @bjportraits @CrystalSpace68 @pauldirks

      Why the hmmmmm? Just disagree. Do you HONESTLY BELIEVE Brie (or 4thWaveNow) get money from pharma?? You don't like what she said (and/or how she said it), or that she to criticized a tweet from an org. Fair enough. (And enough.)

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    7. Jennifer Bilek‏ @bjportraits 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @CrystalSpace68 @pauldirks

      No, I don't believe 4th wave now or Brie are getting $ from pharma. One mother lashed outbw/that becuz she was starting to sound like a pro trans episode of Oprah. The mom used the hashtag for my article. She was rightfully incensed & clarified that afterward. It was one tweet

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    8. Jennifer Bilek‏ @bjportraits 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @bjportraits @4th_WaveNow and

      NO ONE is creating a conspiracy out of this. You have both done incredible work which is y this is hitting ppl badly. Brie has had a wild turn here....singing a completely opposite tune than she's been & castigating another great group publickly while asking for amiability

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    9. Jennifer Bilek‏ @bjportraits 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @bjportraits @4th_WaveNow and

      One week she's fiercely against "transitioning" of children, understands & speaks abt the harms - very eloquently, I might add. It is a strength. Suddenly it's sometimes ok if kids r victims of this cult, if they're "of age?" And parents should just embrace their kids choices?

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    10. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @bjportraits @CrystalSpace68 @pauldirks

      1. Not going to speak for Brie, but my take: When one is talking to or about legal adults--*particularly* when those over-18s vociferously disagree w/you--it's a different kettle of fish. Doesn't mean one shouldn't criticize the transition industry or advocate against harms, but

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 18 Oct 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @bjportraits and

      2. Even when you believe someone who is now legally adult has been gravely harmed, it’s not intrinsically an attack on parents or a lack of empathy to debate when and how it’s effective or desirable to publicly air some grievances. Disagreement does not equal betrayal.

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        2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 18 Oct 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @bjportraits and

          3. Speaking as a parent whose legally adult child (though she desisted) publicly criticized some of the things I did during the time she was trans-identified in front of 1000s of ppl on YouTube, I think it’s important to be able to tolerate debate & constructive criticism.

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        3. Jennifer Bilek‏ @bjportraits 18 Oct 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @CrystalSpace68 @pauldirks

          Public debate & criticism of other groups doing vital work, & of parents in one of the worst times of their lives is ok - publicly & should be tolerated w/equanimity. But public displays of grief by same parents are not ok? So not ok that it needs a long condescending thread?

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