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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Sep 2019

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      So serious question for the Brits: If your spouse started tweeting at you with "persistent" messages that caused you "annoyance, inconvenience, or needless anxiety" couldn't they also be arrested and charged? Doubt there's anything in UK law that would prevent that, eh? hmmmmm. https://twitter.com/thehomoarchy/status/1168392636073267200 …

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    2. Reality‏ @PrideinScience 2 Sep 2019
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      Serious answer: in UK, as well as USA, there are badly thought out or irrelevant laws & regulations which get broken all the time. The trangressions are generally ignored as they rarely cause actual harm. They are not ignored when it suits the powers-that-be to pursue someone.

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    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Sep 2019
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      Ok. But the First Amendment protects us from absurdities like being led away in handcuffs for something you said on Twitter that "annoyed" someone.

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    4. Reality‏ @PrideinScience 2 Sep 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow

      "Harassment, under the laws of the United States, is defined as any repeated or continuing uninvited contact that serves no useful purpose beyond creating alarm, annoyance, or emotional distress" https://definitions.uslegal.com/h/harassment/ 

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    5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Sep 2019
      Replying to @PrideinScience

      Right--but can you name a single case of someone being arrested in the US for the sorts of Twitter "transgressions" we see quite often in the UK? Our free speech protections are broad and the bar is higher.

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    6. Reality‏ @PrideinScience 2 Sep 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow

      It doesn't matter whether I can name a case - it is written into your law: "annoyance", same as ours. The 1st doesn't nullify that, but I don't even think that is the real difference. It is that in the UK, people as a whole are not as lawyered up and litigious as you lot 1/2

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Sep 2019
      Replying to @PrideinScience

      You seriously underestimate how much the First Amendment protects us. You should read up on that. If we didn't have it, you're right--our jails would be overflowing with wrongthinkers because of how litigious we are. But on free speech, we're way better off here.

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        2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Sep 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @PrideinScience

          It's also why libel and slander cases are far, far harder to win in the US--this is another well known fact. "Truth" is not a sufficient defense in the UK, whereas it is here.

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Sep 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @PrideinScience

          If you phoned police in any US city & reported someone was persistently "annoying" you on Twitter (unless they were actually threatening physical harm), they'd just laugh. Anyone can file a lawsuit of course, but it would be a fool's errand. The UK has actual Thought Police.

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        2. Reality‏ @PrideinScience 2 Sep 2019
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          You should have waited for 2/2 until answering 1/2 I don't think your jails would be overflowing with wrongthinkers at all. Just the opposite. My point is there are other things going on here apart from a lack of a 1st amd.

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 2 Sep 2019
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          Oh, it's just as bad here; if anything, extremist trans ideology is MORE entrenched. But something like this sounds like parody to us in the US. It WOULD NOT HAPPEN, and it is down to our free speech protections. https://twitter.com/HarryTheOwl/status/1110503946915733505 …

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        2. Sam Barber‏ @SamBarber1910 3 Sep 2019
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          We're talking about legal, not social, issues here.

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