I haven't seen anyone in this discussion saying a possible innate trait (I prefer "tendency") isn't subject to the influence (enhancement or suppression) of socialization.
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Replying to @4th_WaveNow @lascapigliata8 and
So if you think that all these qualities are influenced or largely determined by socialization, why do you believe there are some deep-seated, innate tendencies that are not determined by socialization? Why should we believe that there are "default" tendencies here?
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Replying to @smolgardenghost @4th_WaveNow and
The question is rather why you insist human beings are different from every other mammal species on earth in this regard. Especially when all the evidence indicates otherwise. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
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Replying to @RealYeyoZa @smolgardenghost and
The other question is, "do you have children yourself?" Because then, socialisation is under your control, and guess what?
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Replying to @rthonbwooster @RealYeyoZa and
My daughter grew up in an environment where all the parents gave the boys dolls and the girls trucks. The preschool couldn't have been more supportive of breaking gender boxes. Guess what toys the majority of kids chose? (All us Woke parents were bewildered--at first.)
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Replying to @4th_WaveNow @smolgardenghost and
No differences in gender typical toy preferences between swedish and hungarian children, despite gender neutral swedish preschools
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Replying to @RealYeyoZa @smolgardenghost and
In the lefty community we lived in, toys, books, clothes were "ungendered." My own daughter was offered a variety of things; she rejected dolls/"girly" stuff from the get-go (unlike most other girls at her preschool). Now a lesbian, as it turns out. Zero to do w/socialization.
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Replying to @4th_WaveNow @RealYeyoZa and
Socialisation begins as soon as the baby is born and no child has ever grown up in a family and society that was free of socialisation. We are all heavily influenced by it, regardless of whether parents heavily promote it or not. There is a lot of research about that.
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Replying to @lascapigliata8 @RealYeyoZa and
Don't think you actually got the point of those tweets. Of course socialization exists, but the kids at the preschool exhibited behaviors **in spite** of the socialization they were subjected to--which, trust me, was the polar opposite of mainstream culture.
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Replying to @4th_WaveNow @RealYeyoZa and
Oh I got the point of “zero to do with socialisation”. Nobody can make such a claim is my point. This is what I’ve been discussing all along. I also assume you didn’t read the three articles I linked for you, that would have answered your questions. Oh well.
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The point of "zero" is: my daughter isn't a GNC lesbian because I socialized her that way. The prior tweet : despite the hipster-ungendering-parents/ & preschool, boys STILL chose trucks & girls chose dolls. Of COURSE we're all subject to socialization. Never said otherwise.
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