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    1. Dave‏ @rthonbwooster 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @lascapigliata8 and

      Amazingly, there are corners of Twitter where people do engage in good faith. This paragraph from the Quillette piece stood out for me. (I'm much more Ev Psych than Rad Fem, FWIW.)pic.twitter.com/gnXMBV9FJV

      There are indeed similarities between radical feminism and evolutionary psychology. Both view heterosexual relationships as inherently conflictual, for example, due to divergent sexual preferences and men’s ability to exercise violence.
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    2. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @rthonbwooster @4th_WaveNow and

      That article was very unfortunate in the same way as all other articles by men who have superficial look at “feminism” and carry on to misrepresent feminist position. Blank slatism is just about as rare as hen’s teeth in feminism. Also liberal feminism is faux feminism.

      2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @lascapigliata8 @BigDTwo @RealYeyoZa

      Apart from the obvious physical (non-brain) differences, are there any (average!) differences you would point to between typical males and females?

      4 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    4. Small Garden Ghost‏ @smolgardenghost 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @lascapigliata8 and

      There are clearly differences between men and women in interests, behaviors, etc. But that doesn't mean that any particular interest or behavior is inborn/unchangable by socialization. That's the issue under dispute, not whether the differences exist.

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    5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @smolgardenghost @lascapigliata8 and

      I haven't seen anyone in this discussion saying a possible innate trait (I prefer "tendency") isn't subject to the influence (enhancement or suppression) of socialization.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Small Garden Ghost‏ @smolgardenghost 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @lascapigliata8 and

      So if you think that all these qualities are influenced or largely determined by socialization, why do you believe there are some deep-seated, innate tendencies that are not determined by socialization? Why should we believe that there are "default" tendencies here?

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    7. Yeyo‏ @RealYeyoZa 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @smolgardenghost @4th_WaveNow and

      The question is rather why you insist human beings are different from every other mammal species on earth in this regard. Especially when all the evidence indicates otherwise. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

      2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    8. Dave‏ @rthonbwooster 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @RealYeyoZa @smolgardenghost and

      The other question is, "do you have children yourself?" Because then, socialisation is under your control, and guess what?

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @rthonbwooster @RealYeyoZa and

      My daughter grew up in an environment where all the parents gave the boys dolls and the girls trucks. The preschool couldn't have been more supportive of breaking gender boxes. Guess what toys the majority of kids chose? (All us Woke parents were bewildered--at first.)

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    10. Yeyo‏ @RealYeyoZa 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @smolgardenghost and

      No differences in gender typical toy preferences between swedish and hungarian children, despite gender neutral swedish preschools

      2 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @RealYeyoZa @smolgardenghost and

      In the lefty community we lived in, toys, books, clothes were "ungendered." My own daughter was offered a variety of things; she rejected dolls/"girly" stuff from the get-go (unlike most other girls at her preschool). Now a lesbian, as it turns out. Zero to do w/socialization.

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        1. Dave‏ @rthonbwooster 3 Aug 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @RealYeyoZa and

          Ian McEwan engaged with this quite a lot in the 70s and 80s. Everyone I knew who read books at all had read at least one McEwan. Pretty much not a blank slate guy. (He was wrong on some things: his "The Imitation Game" play missed that Alan Turing was gay.)

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        2. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @RealYeyoZa and

          Socialisation begins as soon as the baby is born and no child has ever grown up in a family and society that was free of socialisation. We are all heavily influenced by it, regardless of whether parents heavily promote it or not. There is a lot of research about that.

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        1. Mark Warschauer‏ @markwarschauer 3 Aug 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @RealYeyoZa and

          Our fraternal twins had very different behaviors IN THE WOMB. Quickly disabused me of the notion of a blank slate.

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