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    1. BigDTwo‏ @BigDTwo 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @lascapigliata8 @4th_WaveNow

      I ask because I'm aware that researchers' classifications of traits as masc or fem are inconsistent, arbitrary, or culturally/ideologically influenced. I was wondering what the graphics are based on, like maybe BSRI/CT-GRI type inventories.

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    2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @BigDTwo @lascapigliata8

      4thWaveNow Retweeted 4thWaveNow

      What about this?https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1106266982498947072 …

      4thWaveNow added,

      4thWaveNow @4th_WaveNow
      Across cultures, women *tend* ON AVERAGE to prefer "people" jobs, men "thing" jobs. Says NOTHING about individuals, & is NOT a reason to discriminate in hiring. Why don't we value "people jobs" more--especially re: salaries? That's the key question. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23179757_Sex_Differences_in_Personality_Traits_and_Gender-Related_Occupational_Preferences_across_53_Nations_Testing_Evolutionary_and_Social-Environmental_Theories …
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    3. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @BigDTwo

      Women’s choice of profession is a typical result of highly socially conditioned choice, even in the most egalitarian societies who still remain very make dominated. It is impossible to claim any of these findings are primarily biologically influenced.

      2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @lascapigliata8 @BigDTwo

      But in that cross-cultural study, societies with MORE gender equality show MORE sex differentiation in job preferences. How do you explain that?

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @BigDTwo

      la scapigliata Retweeted la scapigliata

      Here is how I explained it, and a the end of the thread is a well-researched article dispelling the myth of gender equality in Nordic countries.https://mobile.twitter.com/lascapigliata8/status/1157096143756648448 …

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      la scapigliata @lascapigliata8
      The problem with the concept of “more gender-egalitarian societies” is that the aggregate scores used to rank certain countries above others don’t differentiate between primary and secondary sources of oppression. They’re all seen as equally important.
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    7. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @cannemckenzie @lascapigliata8 @BigDTwo

      It's a matter of *relative" gender equality. Would you dispute that the situation of women in (say) Iran or Saudi Arabia is anywhere close to that of women in (say) Norway?

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    9. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @cannemckenzie @lascapigliata8 @BigDTwo

      Even granting that, it doesn't explain at all why in the relatively more equal societies the sex differences in job choice are MORE pronounced. More, not the same.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @cannemckenzie @BigDTwo

      Yes it really does, due to backlash and remaining male violence and misogyny. Did you read the thread and article I linked for you?

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @lascapigliata8 @cannemckenzie @BigDTwo

      Yes--& while I see those points, I don't think they explain the phenomenon adequately, looked at cross-culturally. Even taking backlash into account, women in Scandinavia STILL have more freedoms than places where women can be jailed or stoned to death for stepping out of line.

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        2. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @cannemckenzie @BigDTwo

          Indeed. But don’t confuse things being “better” relative to somewhere else, with things being “adequate”.

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
          Replying to @lascapigliata8 @cannemckenzie @BigDTwo

          Don't think either word came into the conversation. The discussion was about job preferences and whether there are any sex-based differences in those. If anything, it's neutral vis-a-vis whether one job choice is better than another.

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