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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

      Honest question for those who say young kids' behavior is largely the result of socialization: How do you explain the detransitioned butch lesbians who talk about heavy disapproval they faced as tots for their "masculine" behaviors? Who socialized them to be so gender atypical?

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    2. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow

      I think most of us have a mixture of personality traits, and these have been somewhat artificially divided into “masculine” and “feminine”, since here’s a huge overlap between sexes. The distribution of these traits, across sexes, follow a Bell curve. 1pic.twitter.com/dtl4R2MoWW

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    3. BigDTwo‏ @BigDTwo 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @lascapigliata8 @4th_WaveNow

      What's the source, & how did they determine which traits are masc or fem?

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    4. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @BigDTwo @4th_WaveNow

      There’s loads of research in this area, why don’t you research it yourself? Cordelia Fine and Prof Gina Rippon have published books and articles that discuss this in the kind of detail that’s needed to understand this. This is a good introhttp://sfonline.barnard.edu/neurogenderings/eight-things-you-need-to-know-about-sex-gender-brains-and-behavior-a-guide-for-academics-journalists-parents-gender-diversity-advocates-social-justice-warriors-tweeters-facebookers-and-ever/ …

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    5. BigDTwo‏ @BigDTwo 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @lascapigliata8 @4th_WaveNow

      I ask because I'm aware that researchers' classifications of traits as masc or fem are inconsistent, arbitrary, or culturally/ideologically influenced. I was wondering what the graphics are based on, like maybe BSRI/CT-GRI type inventories.

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    6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @BigDTwo @lascapigliata8

      4thWaveNow Retweeted 4thWaveNow

      What about this?https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1106266982498947072 …

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      4thWaveNow @4th_WaveNow
      Across cultures, women *tend* ON AVERAGE to prefer "people" jobs, men "thing" jobs. Says NOTHING about individuals, & is NOT a reason to discriminate in hiring. Why don't we value "people jobs" more--especially re: salaries? That's the key question. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23179757_Sex_Differences_in_Personality_Traits_and_Gender-Related_Occupational_Preferences_across_53_Nations_Testing_Evolutionary_and_Social-Environmental_Theories …
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    7. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @BigDTwo

      Women’s choice of profession is a typical result of highly socially conditioned choice, even in the most egalitarian societies who still remain very make dominated. It is impossible to claim any of these findings are primarily biologically influenced.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019
      Replying to @lascapigliata8 @BigDTwo

      But in that cross-cultural study, societies with MORE gender equality show MORE sex differentiation in job preferences. How do you explain that?

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        2. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
          Replying to @nikkaminska @4th_WaveNow @BigDTwo

          There is no gender equality in Nordic countries, the misogyny in fact has driven a backlash. This is a well-researched article that explains this so called “Nordic paradox” and it’s not because gender us innate. https://harvardpolitics.com/world/the-nordic-paradox-gender-equity-and-sexual-assault/ …pic.twitter.com/vqkoxGnvpu

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        2. la scapigliata‏ @lascapigliata8 3 Aug 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @BigDTwo

          la scapigliata Retweeted la scapigliata

          Here is how I explained it, and a the end of the thread is a well-researched article dispelling the myth of gender equality in Nordic countries.https://mobile.twitter.com/lascapigliata8/status/1157096143756648448 …

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          la scapigliata @lascapigliata8
          The problem with the concept of “more gender-egalitarian societies” is that the aggregate scores used to rank certain countries above others don’t differentiate between primary and secondary sources of oppression. They’re all seen as equally important.
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        2. Small Garden Ghost‏ @smolgardenghost 3 Aug 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @lascapigliata8 @BigDTwo

          I'd also add that - despite those gender-unequal countries being deeply misogynistic in ways gender-equal cultures are not- the former cultures often really do encourage women into STEM/male dominated careers in ways the latter do not.

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        3. Small Garden Ghost‏ @smolgardenghost 3 Aug 2019
          Replying to @smolgardenghost @4th_WaveNow and

          For example, female mathematicians in Iran (like Mirzakhani ) are recognized and admired in a way no female mathematicians have ever been in the US. Female chessplayers are widely celebrated in East Asia and Eastern Europe, etc.

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