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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

      Honest question for those who say young kids' behavior is largely the result of socialization: How do you explain the detransitioned butch lesbians who talk about heavy disapproval they faced as tots for their "masculine" behaviors? Who socialized them to be so gender atypical?

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

      Same goes for the very "effeminate" little boys who nowadays are being ushered onto the Trans Kid Train.pic.twitter.com/b63pcPXzPX

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        2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

          Melissa Hines & colleagues have researched and written extensively about gender atypicality in early childhood, including this seminal study of ~5K people. They note (see last sentence in this abstract) that the behaviors occurred *irrespective* of family approval or disapprovalpic.twitter.com/RXPnUWTALA

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

          Saw someone in another thread claiming that the (well researched) effect of prenatal testosterone on childhood behavior is "bollocks." This seems like an ideological position that ignores inconvenient evidence. Screen caps are from Hines, 2006. https://eje.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/eje/155/suppl_1/1550115.xml …pic.twitter.com/Ctvg37Xl5j

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        4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

          Some of the same people who deny effect of PRE-natal T have no problem saying things like FTMs on T can get"roid rage" & other behavioral changes from POST-natal T. The brain is part of the body. Of course it's affected by hormones. Obligatory caveat: Socialization matters.

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        5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

          Certain feminists got angry about this article, which covers replicated evidence that T can have a deleterious (though not massive) effect on language facility in FTMs, even after a short period. Even more inconveniently, T can *enhance* spatial skills.https://4thwavenow.com/2017/08/18/thoracic-outlet-syndrome-deteriorating-verbal-fluency-not-on-your-typical-informed-consent-form/ …

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        6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

          The fear, here, of course, is that such data will be used wrongly to say "women can't do math!!" But effects of hormones are not be-all end-all, and bell-curve averages say NOTHING about individuals. Why is this so contentious?

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        7. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

          Why is it a bad thing if more women prefer "people" jobs? This does NOT mean women should be discriminated against when applying for "thing" jobs. But how is it not a devaluation of people-pursuits to deny categorically that (ON AVERAGE) males/females have different preferences?

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        2. Tailcalled‏ @tailcalled 3 Aug 2019
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          At the same time, it seems hard to believe that there's a biological influence coding for, say, skirts specifically, as in that anecdote.

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        3. Tailcalled‏ @tailcalled 3 Aug 2019
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          My suspicion is that one can distinguosh between "functional" differences (say tomboys who like football because they are born competitive and high-activity) and "identity" differences (the tomboy no longer wanting to dress like a girl because the boys playing football would...

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        1. Newsround_Blog‏ @Newsround_Blog 3 Aug 2019
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          And yet #humanists seem strangely silent about issues like this @Humanists_UK

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        2. Lauren‏ @lenlsw 3 Aug 2019
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          This is so sad, my 4yr old has these exact behaviours - he makes skirts and long hair from tops. Few other possibly gender 'atypical' behaviours too, except I've always thought it was totally typical for young kids to play around with gender roles. Would never punish him 😥

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        3. Lauren‏ @lenlsw 3 Aug 2019
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          Where is the excerpt about Kai from?

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