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    4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

    Honest question for those who say young kids' behavior is largely the result of socialization: How do you explain the detransitioned butch lesbians who talk about heavy disapproval they faced as tots for their "masculine" behaviors? Who socialized them to be so gender atypical?

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      2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

        Same goes for the very "effeminate" little boys who nowadays are being ushered onto the Trans Kid Train.pic.twitter.com/b63pcPXzPX

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      3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

        Melissa Hines & colleagues have researched and written extensively about gender atypicality in early childhood, including this seminal study of ~5K people. They note (see last sentence in this abstract) that the behaviors occurred *irrespective* of family approval or disapprovalpic.twitter.com/RXPnUWTALA

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      4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

        Saw someone in another thread claiming that the (well researched) effect of prenatal testosterone on childhood behavior is "bollocks." This seems like an ideological position that ignores inconvenient evidence. Screen caps are from Hines, 2006. https://eje.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/eje/155/suppl_1/1550115.xml …pic.twitter.com/Ctvg37Xl5j

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      5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

        Some of the same people who deny effect of PRE-natal T have no problem saying things like FTMs on T can get"roid rage" & other behavioral changes from POST-natal T. The brain is part of the body. Of course it's affected by hormones. Obligatory caveat: Socialization matters.

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      6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

        Certain feminists got angry about this article, which covers replicated evidence that T can have a deleterious (though not massive) effect on language facility in FTMs, even after a short period. Even more inconveniently, T can *enhance* spatial skills.https://4thwavenow.com/2017/08/18/thoracic-outlet-syndrome-deteriorating-verbal-fluency-not-on-your-typical-informed-consent-form/ …

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      7. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

        The fear, here, of course, is that such data will be used wrongly to say "women can't do math!!" But effects of hormones are not be-all end-all, and bell-curve averages say NOTHING about individuals. Why is this so contentious?

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      8. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 3 Aug 2019

        Why is it a bad thing if more women prefer "people" jobs? This does NOT mean women should be discriminated against when applying for "thing" jobs. But how is it not a devaluation of people-pursuits to deny categorically that (ON AVERAGE) males/females have different preferences?

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      2. Sheena  🧙‍♀️ 🧹 🌘 ⭐️‏ @S_h_e_e_n_a_ 3 Aug 2019
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        I'm agnostic about it, but there is something that doesn't make sense to me about the idea of innate masculinity & femininity, which is that the innate theory usually says that it's down to androgen levels, but that would mean that masculine girls have much higher levels of 1/

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        2/ androgens than feminine boys. And yet, in the vast majority of cases, we're not talking about people with DSDs. So how could those very abnormal hormone levels affect only the brain, and not the reproductive system?

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