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Pediatric transition skeptics. 'Like samizdat for the sane & ideologically uncowed'. Free speech. Science. Head tweeter: Denise aka Marie (Founder)

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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 8 Jul 2019

      4thWaveNow Retweeted ShootingStar

      Bloggers, tweeters, & citizen journalists can only do so much. The mainstream media need to remember it's their job to investigate & report the WHOLE story. That's starting to happen in the UK, but there's no excuse for well paid US reporters to act mostly as propaganda conduits.https://twitter.com/turnthetide2018/status/1148242407953195009 …

      4thWaveNow added,

      ShootingStar @turnthetide2018
      not doing their jobs and media who won’t publish the story. Those are the people who sell a fantasy to vulnerable youth and turn them against those who question. They deserve to be held up as examples, not trans or detrans people who are doing the best they can. 11/11
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    2. This Little Light  🦏‏ @Mariehopes4u2 17 Jul 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow

      Then stop blocking parents from disagreeing with medical transitions on your blog and join us in properly treating these kids. # Kelsey Coalition

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    4. This Little Light  🦏‏ @Mariehopes4u2 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @briejnm @4th_WaveNow

      1/It seems to me, and you can correct me if I am wrong. You seem to support medical transitioning of children in "some cases", you say. Adults make mistakes with this left and right. But it's okay for children/adolescents? 0-21? Be clear.

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    5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @Mariehopes4u2

      Thread. 1. 4thWaveNow has published a substantial body of work over the last 4.5 years. We suggest you read through those articles. If you do, our “position” couldn't be more obvious: We seriously question pediatric/teen/young adult (under 25) transition.

      6 replies 3 retweets 15 likes
    6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Mariehopes4u2

      2. Also suggest you read the sidebar on the right of the home page. Part of it is screen capped here for your convenience. Note our comments about early-onset “persisters” and the likelihood that these younger children may be proto-LGB & ought not be ID’ed as “trans”.pic.twitter.com/R4mwzMtJFX

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    7. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Mariehopes4u2

      3. In a perfect world--where gender atypicality would be more accepted, in children and adults--there would be no medical transition, nor would anyone feel the need for it. But we don’t live in that perfect world, so...

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 18 Jul 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Mariehopes4u2

      4thWaveNow Retweeted 4thWaveNow

      4. …We believe attempting to outlaw all medical transition for minors is not an achievable goal. Pandora’s Box was opened in Amsterdam decades ago and it’s unlikely it will be fully closed again. We did a whole thread on this a couple of weeks ago here:https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1147908487172804608 …

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      4thWaveNow @4th_WaveNow
      1/ Brie's tweet pretty well encapsulates the 4thWaveNow position (as well as her own personal views). And: https://twitter.com/briejnm/status/1147882549395349505 …
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        2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 18 Jul 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Mariehopes4u2

          5. That said, we believe a return to more "gatekeeping" and stringent assessment IS an achievable goal—along with recognition that social contagion is driving some young people to want to transition, & that homophobia, autism and other underlying factors are driving many others.

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 18 Jul 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @Mariehopes4u2

          6. A return what we had only a few short years ago—when underage transitions were very rare and desistance from trans identity was seen as the best outcome—would be a success in the world we live in today. We don't think lifelong patient-hood is the optimum outcome for anyone.

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        2. This Little Light  🦏‏ @Mariehopes4u2 19 Jul 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          So, you refuse to support medical professionals and parents and endocrinologists for trying to change this abusive healthcare and you won't help by posting an article on 4thwavenow. Where would 4thwave be without it? I will let my support group know this. #KelseyCoalition

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Jul 2019
          Replying to @Mariehopes4u2

          This is completely unhinged. We have supported ALL the people you mention, and if you've actually been reading us for four years as you claim, you'd know that. We stand by the work we've done and continue to do. Your demands that we do EXACTLY what you say are duly noted.

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