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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Jul 2019

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      Certain activists need to GET A CLUE and understand the reasons why they have alienated the very people who've been most harmed by the excesses of trans activism. https://t.co/pFEXP4oTSQ 

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    2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Jul 2019

      2/ Arguments are made on both sides: Botched surgery pictures shock people into awareness of medical harms, OR: You are exploiting/shaming trans-identified people by making them look like something from a 19th century freak show.

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    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Jul 2019

      3/ What do you hope to gain with photos like this? Plenty of people think it's worth it to risk poor surgical outcomes to approximate the body of the opposite sex. AND detransitioners who are critical of trans medicine have been saying for years they find this offensive.

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    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Jul 2019

      4/ Would be VERY curious to know if there are any detransitioners who think this is a good or effective political strategy. The only ones I've seen talking about it are offended and alienated by displays of trans surgeries. Thoughts?

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    5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Jul 2019

      5/ The above ⬆️was not at all a rhetorical question; there may well be detransitioners who are OK (or even on the fence?) with this sort of activism, but haven't seen them speaking up.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 5 Jul 2019

      6/ This thread was not meant as a denunciation, but more a plea to think about strategy. Is it effective? Is it worth the loss of important supporters (notably detransitioners)? Most importantly will those shock photos help achieve what you are aiming for politically?

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        1. PollySolipsism 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿‏ @PollySpin 5 Jul 2019
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          I think people are being sold a lie. The pictures dont lie.

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        2. Julie Haunted Womb‏ @lazyjoolz 5 Jul 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          Agreed. Shocking photographs of surgery without context demean those who have undergone the surgery, for whatever reasons. People not involved with the issues around trans id will simply look away. Doesn’t help create a calm, respectful environment in which to raise concerns.

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        3. Lily Maynard‏ @LilyLilyMaynard 5 Jul 2019
          Replying to @lazyjoolz @4th_WaveNow

          Those pictures were all put into the public domain by doctors and patients. Women who have abortions do not put pictures of their aborted foetuses online. The comparison is ridiculous.

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        1. Lily Maynard‏ @LilyLilyMaynard 5 Jul 2019
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          If parents-or kids- see the results of surgery and realise the reality of it, I think it’s worth it. Those photos have already been put in the public domain by the patients and/or doctors involved. They’re taken from websites or instagram. There’s nothing clandestine about it.

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        1. Antinarcissist‏ @notyourpleaser 5 Jul 2019
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          At the current rate of confused, pubescent/hormone-ridden or mentally ill kids being rushed to puberty blocker treatments, breast binding etc, I really don't think the strategy of being constantly careful not to offend anyone worked. It has brought us here, after all.

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        1. Ginny 🍸‏ @Gin_and_Tea 5 Jul 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          I really admire that Posie isn’t the least bit afraid to say what she means but displaying those pictures on placards makes me cringe. Whether we like it or not there is an unavoidable PR element to activism and sadly I don’t think these pics do us any favours.

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        2. Reality‏ @PrideinScience 5 Jul 2019
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          I deeply dislike "shock" images, of any inflicted harm - war, drugs, starvation, medical malpractice, refugees (was permission asked of anyone to show a drowned baby for instance ?) Personally I don't need to see a picture to understand the wrong and damage being done. BUT ...

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        3. Reality‏ @PrideinScience 5 Jul 2019
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          ... it seems that sometimes, some people do need to be shown the gory details. I also get that for survivors of harm these images are particularly upsetting. This needs to be taken into account as to how and when, and for what audience the tactic is used.

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        1. Judith Green‏ @TybilAlper 5 Jul 2019
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          Good points and questions, well made/asked.

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        2. helena‏ @lacroicsz 5 Jul 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow

          As someone who has NOT had surgery I think it can be appropriate IN SOME CONTEXTS. Having the faceless, nameless, but intimate photos on posters, absolutely inappropriate to me. But sharing photos (w approval maybe?) in a post or article about surgery risks and neg. outcomes -

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        3. helena‏ @lacroicsz 5 Jul 2019
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          Could be an effective way of communicating those risks and negative outcomes. I know detransitioners who use their own images of their bodies to make a point so not everyone is private or offended by it. Context matters in this case. Shying away from all mention or imagery -

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