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    2. Charlie Kiss  🌹  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇨🇴 🇪🇺 🏳️‍⚧️‏ @charliekiss 19 Mar 2019
      Replying to @HJoyceGender @GertieGreen2 @4th_WaveNow

      I don't think it's damaging or disturbing. Parents should let children be, let them play with any toys they want & wear what they want. (in terms of gender) If they want packers, then why not? It's not permanent. They will ?change if they want. Isn't that right? @natachakennedy

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    3. Charlie Kiss  🌹  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇨🇴 🇪🇺 🏳️‍⚧️‏ @charliekiss 19 Mar 2019
      Replying to @charliekiss @GertieGreen2 and

      What I wouldn't oppose, is more study in this area. I have no problem with that. but I think it really isn't as scary as people think it is. We are all brought up to understand that heterosexuality and being cisgender is the norm and people are scared of this being challenged.

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    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Mar 2019
      Replying to @charliekiss @GertieGreen2 @natachakennedy

      What about studying whether a child wearing a plastic penis from the time they're a toddler increases the odds they will not happily desist (and thus avoid hormones/surgeries in the future)? The control group would obviously be children who did not wear such devices.

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    5. Charlie Kiss  🌹  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇨🇴 🇪🇺 🏳️‍⚧️‏ @charliekiss 19 Mar 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @GertieGreen2 @natachakennedy

      They'd remove it if they didn't want a penis. Desistance is very rare. but I know we'll disagree on this point. Roll on more evidence.

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    6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Mar 2019
      Replying to @charliekiss @GertieGreen2 @natachakennedy

      A very young child may want the penis, just like they want many things. The research question is whether such transition measures increase persistence beyond what it would have been otherwise. Surely no one wants false positives, given how high the medical stakes are?

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    7. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Mar 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @charliekiss and

      How many desist/detransition is unknown, since most cease attending gender clinics (& aren't tracked). But why does it matter how rare it is? Someone has to care about false positives, & affirmative practice is already resulting in a movement of detransitioners, particularly FTMs

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    8. Charlie Kiss  🌹  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇨🇴 🇪🇺 🏳️‍⚧️‏ @charliekiss 19 Mar 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @GertieGreen2 @natachakennedy

      I would say the opposite is happening in GIDs. not affirmative at all. I know of only two Trans men who de-transitioned (both in late 20s) but interested to know more about 'this movement' send me details.

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    9. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Mar 2019
      Replying to @charliekiss @GertieGreen2 @natachakennedy

      Looks like you're in the UK, where pediatric practice is much more conservative than in the US, where affirm-only and faster access to med intervention is the norm. Start with @lacroicsz who co-moderates a Reddit detransition forum. She likely has other links too.

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    10. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Mar 2019
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      Another possible resource: https://twitter.com/FtMdetransed 

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 19 Mar 2019
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @charliekiss and

      One more. There is no reason why happily transitioned people & those who question some aspects can't disagree in a respectful way. No ethical person would want more false positives--especially an increase in ppl who regret irreversible med interventions. https://www.instagram.com/p/BvElstbFV1q/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=12tqywozxx1qm …

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        1. Charlie Kiss  🌹  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇨🇴 🇪🇺 🏳️‍⚧️‏ @charliekiss 19 Mar 2019
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @GertieGreen2 and

          Thanks will look at. The reason I engaged is due to that respectful, thinking language you used. (which is quite rare)

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