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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      6. There is a clear bias towards the idea that even the youngest child will (and should) continue to be transgender for life. When a child or teen shows possible signs of wavering in their identity, forum members err on the side of disbelieving the child;

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    2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      7. Conversely, any sign a toddler--even a baby--is behaving in a manner more typical of the opp sex is scrutinized as a likely sign the child is transgender. (As always, we emphasize that this attitude is the result of "affirmative" clinicians who encourage such monitoring.)

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    3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      8. In general, desistance (and therefore present or future avoidance of hormones or surgeries) is not seen as a positive outcome. The notion that desistance is a “myth” except in the rarest circumstances is heavily promoted.

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    4. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      9. Any discussion of rapid onset dysphoria, any indication a parent is thinking critically about “affirmation” is quickly denounced & a moderator tagged to bring the member into line (which may include ejection from the group). Such members are treated as heretics.

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    5. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      10. Many posts we’ve seen promote earlier medical intervention, & that insurance companies should be pressured to (for example) pay for mastectomies and/or hormones for young teens. Forum members who are leaders of trans lobby orgs are often tagged to assist in this effort.

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    6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      11. One frequent poster even discussed contacting surgeons to ask whether they could perform genital surgery on her elementary-school-aged child. (No surgeon would touch it). Out of over 40 responses on this thread, only 1 commenter thought the surgeons might have a point.

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    7. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      12. Those who appear on Twitter to denounce our anonymized exposure of leaks seem to want to distance themselves from the more extreme posts. Why did those same people not question the judgment of some of those expressing those more extreme ideas, on the forum itself?

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    8. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      13. Why do moderators effectively ban any nuanced discussion, especially about desistance and rapid onset dysphoria?

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    9. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      14. We get the same sort of criticism for talking about desistance/detransition on our Twitter feed and our website. Our critics claim few people regret or desist, and our talking about it (even when it is our own children who desisted) makes us bigots who “hate trans kids.”

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    10. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      15. There is a growing cohort of regretters starting to speak up publicly. Leaving aside how rare they actually are, since when is it verboten to talk about a minority—especially when that minority has undergone irreversible medical intervention which they regret?

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

      16. Similarly, even if (despite their deafening silence on the forum) most members on the affirmative parent forum don’t agree with (say) packers for toddler girls, why is it an outrage that we are raising awareness about those who do agree? “Methinks thou doth protest too much.”

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        2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

          17. We have already heard from some members of this group, thanking us for bringing to light the pressure applied to them when they raise reasonable questions about their children's distress. We promise confidentiality to anyone who cares to reach out.

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        3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Mar 2019

          18. In the US one would be hard pressed to find any legacy media coverage of troubling aspects of pediatric transition or transgender regret. The fact that certain activists & leaders of a 8000+member group want to prevent vigorous discussion about these matters speaks volumes.

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