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    4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 27 Dec 2018

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    Referring to adolescents, Levine says: "The young patient's passionate certainty is a barrier to informed consent." Let that sink in. It's basically the opposite of what "affirmative" clinicians say, always some version of "They KNOW. They are 100% certain who they are."https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1078150822762958848 …

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    • I&I ConcernedMom🦎 InclusionNotRevolution I love JKR & I stand with Maya & Marian Rachel I am nobody's vessel! Simon Tegg Eleanor 🟥 Philippa Hammond
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      2. ShootingStar‏ @turnthetide2018 27 Dec 2018
        Replying to @4th_WaveNow

        It’s what we’ve known all along as we watched our kids persist and insist through their therapist and Dr appts, all the way to the pharmacy to fill their blocker and hormone prescriptions. And the implications of this statement for youth on the autism spectrum cannot be ignored.

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      3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 27 Dec 2018
        Replying to @turnthetide2018

        It's so interesting to see a seasoned clinician refute the "consistent, persistent, insistent" canard.

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      1. Jens Lyon‏ @JensLyon 27 Dec 2018
        Replying to @4th_WaveNow

        "Passionate certainty" is very typical of adolescents in general. Anyone who had worked with teens, parented teens, or taught middle/high school sees this. Teens KNOW they're going to play in the NBA, or marry their baby's daddy, or be a supermodel. Nothing can dissuade them.

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      1. ThinkBlackWoman‏ @ThinkBlackWoma1 27 Dec 2018
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        Never in the history section f medicine gas the affirmation of delusion been regarded as a sign of sanity. #madness

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      2. Goody Zoe‏ @jessicazoeb 27 Dec 2018
        Replying to @4th_WaveNow @hullfair

        What's this from? I'm interested in the next point on that screen shot - are blockers creating children who will pass but grow into adults incapable of a functional sex life?

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      3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 27 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jessicazoeb @hullfair

        See quoted tweet--link to full study was provided in that thread.

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      2. Antibodies Against Kookery‏ @AgainstKookery 27 Dec 2018
        Replying to @4th_WaveNow

        I always thought being suicidal was a barrier to informed consent. If somebody claims to be suicidal, then they are not thinking rationally and therefore you can't give them elective surgery. You'd have to treat the suicide ideation first.

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      3. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 27 Dec 2018
        Replying to @AgainstKookery @BepisDrink

        Not in gender medicine, where the answer is medical transition as quickly as possible. For reference, this article covers a case of a child in inpatient psychiatric care. The gender MD pushed for blockers, over the objections of hospital psychiatrists.https://4thwavenow.com/2017/02/25/reportable-trauma-us-gender-docs-train-judges-call-cps-on-balking-parents/ …

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