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    1. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 30 Nov 2018

      This is an important article, worth reading every word. Blank slatism & "biological sex is a spectrum" believers are both based in the ideological refusal to accept replicated evidence--along w/ the too-frequent conflation of *averages* w/ determinism. https://quillette.com/2018/11/30/the-new-evolution-deniers/ …

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    2. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow

      So important, not just b/c science denial is a tactic of TRAs but also b/c it’s an Achilles heel for feminism. Just as there’s no basis in science for saying sex is a social construct there’s none for saying normative sex-based diffs in personality are just b/c of socialisation.

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    3. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @4th_WaveNow

      There’s v strong evidence that normative diffs between the sexes a) exist, b) have some basis in biology & evolution, even if they’re also exaggerated & policed by social convention. Which complicates the radfem argument a/b gender being an externally imposed social construct.

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    4. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @4th_WaveNow

      Ofc binning blank slatism in sex differences also helps torpedo the TRA schtick about magic inner gender essence that has no reference to physical being. It’s a dilemma.

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    5. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @4th_WaveNow

      The radfem description of the ways social gender gets used aggressively to control women is hugely important. I’d love to hear from feminists thinking about with how that can be squared with the science that strongly suggests normative sex diffs have a basis in fact.

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    6. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @4th_WaveNow

      At the moment it feels slightly like feminists want the support of science to challenge gender ideology but are less keen when it comes to considering the impact on feminism of the scientific arguments for binning blank slatism. Hopefully I’m reading the wrong feminists?

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    7. The Truth is Real‏ @RealAdamB1 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @4th_WaveNow

      @mrkhtake2 would be interested in your take on Sparrows thread. It echos some of my thoughts on feminists va TRAs

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    9. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @mrkhtake2 @moveincircles

      Stereotypes arose from somewhere.The problem is ENFORCEMENT of stereotypes which are rooted at least partly in typical behaviors for MOST members of one sex. When child feels shame for being gender atypical (because parents/society disapprove in some way), then we have a problem.

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    10. Andreia Nobre  💚 🤍 💜‏ @ariana_erbon 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @LilyLilyMaynard and

      stereotypes arose from our bodily functions - "women give birth so they are nurturing". Women "had" to be nurturing when babies were in the picture, for survival of the offspring, we just don't have to be nurturing to adults for our entire lives, apart from theses moments.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 1 Dec 2018
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      Right: That's "enforcement". It doesn't follow that nurturing behavior demonstrated by ALL mammal mothers isn't an innate trait in females. It's a GOOD trait, but it's not deterministic, shouldn't be forced, & isn't true for all females (that's the average v individual part).

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        1. Andreia Nobre  💚 🤍 💜‏ @ariana_erbon 1 Dec 2018
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          Bingo.

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        1. Andreia Nobre  💚 🤍 💜‏ @ariana_erbon 1 Dec 2018
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          It's enforced to create the stereotype (to work for the rule of patriarchy, to justify men's ruling. if women are nurturing, then they can't be "belical" bc the 2 don't go together. therefore, men are "fitter" to rule and justify patriarchy. sorry I read a lot, this is my sum up

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