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    1. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @4th_WaveNow

      At the moment it feels slightly like feminists want the support of science to challenge gender ideology but are less keen when it comes to considering the impact on feminism of the scientific arguments for binning blank slatism. Hopefully I’m reading the wrong feminists?

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    2. The Truth is Real‏ @RealAdamB1 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @4th_WaveNow

      @mrkhtake2 would be interested in your take on Sparrows thread. It echos some of my thoughts on feminists va TRAs

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    4. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @mrkhtake2 @4th_WaveNow

      This is pretty much my position rn. What's frustrating is that (as the article @4th_WaveNow shared states) people read 'normative differences' & hear 'traits in mutually exclusive binary opposition with a culturally enforced hierarchy valuing one set of traits over the other'.

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    5. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @mrkhtake2 @4th_WaveNow

      Challenging the tacit hierarchy of traits & the notion they exist in mutually exclusive binary opposition is important political work; but to me it feels that the tradeoff has been denying those traits might have any basis in fact, & that denial has itself imposed costs on women.

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    6. Carolyn‏ @katzen_frau 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @mrkhtake2 @4th_WaveNow

      I'm interested in hearing more about the last part. What costs do you think this has imposed on women?

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    7. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @katzen_frau @mrkhtake2 @4th_WaveNow

      #NotAllWomen obvs but for one thing I think internalising a pure social constructionist view of gender in the broadest sense can make the experience of becoming a mother way more difficult and conflicted.

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    8. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @katzen_frau and

      For example there is solid neurological evidence that pregnancy & motherhood radically rewires a woman’s brain. If you’ve internalised a pure social-constructionist view of what it means to be a woman you’ve no frame of reference to help you account for that experience.

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    9. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @katzen_frau and

      Maybe that sounds like nothing but the change can feel overwhelming and without a way of making sense of it well hello, post-natal depression. My friend teaches NCT and she says the ones who fervently insist that nothing will change post-baby nearly always get PND 😐

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    10. The Truth is Real‏ @RealAdamB1 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @moveincircles @katzen_frau and

      Interesting. I have worked with endless high achieving women, who expect nothing will change and/or expect to be bored at home with baby. Most are significantly changed by the experience, and I have known some that have not wanted or refused to come back.

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      4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 1 Dec 2018
      Replying to @RealAdamB1 @moveincircles and

      Every woman should have opportunity to pursue any career and be compensated commensurate w/a man in the same job. But denigrating stay-at-home motherhood happens too much and undervalues the hugely important job of mothering--for those who choose it.

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        1. Mary Harrington‏Verified account @moveincircles 1 Dec 2018
          Replying to @4th_WaveNow @katzen_frau @mrkhtake2

          It feels like misogynists look down on women who prioritise motherhood as ‘little women’; and 2nd wave feminists do as well, for letting the side down. Like mothering has stayed as boring and contemptible as ever, if not more, despite feminist gains in so many other ways.

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